About those who pretend to be evil
Aug 21, '07 11:15 AMfor everyone
There are some people who pretend to be evil. What's their psychology?
Probably their moral standard is extremely high and they realised their behaviour cannot possibly meet their supposedly very high moral standard. Their claim is humans are so sinful and they themselves feel as if they are committing some crime. According to God's standard, humans make error. According to ordinary humans' ordinary moral standard, humans are perfect.
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ullangoo wrote on Aug 21
You mean sort of: "I have so much evil in me that I might as well be honest and show it"? Interesting theory - and not at all unlikely.

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briangriffith wrote on Aug 21
I don't have to pretend.

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mercedo wrote on Aug 22
briangriffith saidI don't have to pretend. When you say so people immediately understand you must be an evil. Those who pretend to be evil usually say 'I am evil'. Because they want us to believe they are evil.
So when you say 'I don't have to pretend ( because I am evil ), you are saying the word in parenthesis, and I understand your moral standard is very high to the point you consider yourself as evil.

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eglamkowski wrote on Aug 22
Then again, maybe he tortures puppies for fun and pulls the wings off of butterflies? :O

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mercedo wrote on Aug 22
Yeah, sort of..
If someone were a hypocrite, he would try to hide their evil and pretend to be a good person. He has to pretend to be a good person, therefore he must be evil.
If someone's moral standard is extremely high, he would always feel he are committing some sin. Therefore he might say he is an evil person, but actually he is not.

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morosoph wrote on Aug 22
eglamkowski saidThen again, maybe he tortures puppies for fun and pulls the wings off of butterflies? :ONo! It's "Pulling the wings off rabbits"!"But rabbits don't have wings""Not unless you nail them on first!"

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imelnychenko wrote on Aug 24
A very difficult question...And who are the people who pertend to be Good?

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imelnychenko wrote on Aug 24
Is it a psychospiritual problem? Can atheistic people feel like Evil?Certain people with psychotic disorders feel like Evil; another psychotic patients feel like Good.Can christian people feel like Evil when they are otherwise mentaly healthy? - They call it lost faith. We probably do not talk about is she/he indeed good/bad - that will be an "objective" estimation of other people who deal with her/him. We are concerned about "how does she/he FEELS like" and not about his actual symptoms (torturing, lying, burning, stealing).

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mercedo wrote on Aug 25
imelnychenko saidA very difficult question...And who are the people who pertend to be Good? A very difficult question...
Indeed, it's difficult. For we need to define those rabbits who wear the cloth of wolf and wolves who wear the suits of rabbits. Our observation is obviously not enough.
And who are the people who pretend to be Good?
Actually majority of them are really good though, here I meant for example, policeman, nurse, monk, guardian, rescuer, or firefighter, who usually help us when we are in trouble. Because we often find the cases those people involve.
My guess is those who really wicked feel safe when they hide themselves among really good people.

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ullangoo wrote on Aug 25
This is so over-simplified that I don't know where to begin. There are e.g. doctors with great reputations of unselfishness etc. who beat their wives and children, and there are mafia bosses whose families have met nothing but love from them. We all have both sides. Most people try to hide their "evil" side, often even to themselves. Others have seen so little good and/or live under such circumstances that they deny their good sides in order to survive in a daily struggle or fight. Very few people have an evil self-image, with the exception of those who suffer from permanent guilt feelings, usually induced by some crazy religion. The rest think that what they do is necessary - whatever it may be. Sure they hide their actions since they're often illegal, but they don't "hide among really good people", generally.

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ullangoo wrote on Aug 25
People who pretend to be worse than they are often do it as a provocation, and/or their "evilness" is nothing but talk. They may be rebels against impossibly high standards, yes.

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mercedo wrote on Aug 25
"how does she/he FEELS like" and not about his actual symptoms
Suppose in the case of a fictitious serial killer, he thought humans are so sinful that they ought to die. That was his motivation of serial killing.
Can atheistic people feel like Evil? Can christian people feel like Evil?
No, I don't think atheistic people feel like evil. Their way of grasping the reality of world is just fair. Atheistic people consider humans as perfect.

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ullangoo wrote on Aug 25
No normal person consider humans perfect. If you beat a child in anger or hurt your friend's feelings, you'll feel guilty whether you believe in God or not. If such things happen often, i.e. you can't control your anger, you'll feel you're a bad person. The difference is that the atheist doesn't think in terms of sin - his/her thought is more like "I'm not adapted to society" or "I harm other people".

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mercedo wrote today at 12:31 PM
ullangoo saidNo normal person consider humans perfect There's a basis of belief in Western culture, that is 'original sin'. So it might be very natural for them to feel humans are imperfect in a country where almost all people are Christians.
Obviously this idea is totally unfamiliar in traditional East-Asian culture. If we were born under no particular defects both in body and mind, of course we were born perfect. Here imperfect means handicapped, disabled or subnormal.
Aside from that, I agree humans make mistakes. But I must say this is a sign of human evolution. It's not human that is to blame, but a system. Human makes an error because existing system won't have been able to follow the speed of human evolution.

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mercedo wrote today at 12:43 PM
ullangoo saidThis is so over-simplified that I don't know where to begin In a country where they think God is almighty, supreme being, or perfect, the position of humans are naturally located lower than God. In atheism that is human who can decide everything. Atheism is a humancentrism. It is silly of humans to feel guilty for their deeds in a country where no God exists. This was a Stalin's word.

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ullangoo wrote today at 1:06 PM
I'll subscribe to the idea that humans are in principle perfect. No one above 7 or 8 think any of them are in reality. We make mistakes, as you say, we make decisions that harm ourselves, we hurt others unintentionally or even intentionally, or we do things that are simply stupid. Guilt is universal. Will you tell me Orientals never say "I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that". Or Communists? What did Stalin tell all those people he executed, that they were innocent?In most cases, Atheists make people responsible to something else than a god, usually "society". Another name, same result: there's one way of being "good" and a lot of ways of being "bad". The over-simplification consists of the idea that a person is either good or evil, not both. It hasn't got a f--- thing to do with God or coming from a Christian country (mine is basically secular).

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ullangoo wrote today at 1:08 PM
I should say "feelings of guilt are universal". I don't believe in the reality of all that guilt shit myself.