Thanks for posting and your regard. I appreciate that.
I think resurrection will take place eventually. I mean it's not impossible and it's not a matter of two or three years. It is a matter of tens of millions of light year in future.
Science will enable the dead to get a new life again. Science makes almost anything impossible possible. The the dead will be resurrected after tens of hundreds of years to come.
It's possible, but no one try to do so.
Sunday, May 31, 2009
Friday, May 29, 2009
No problem!
Hello good evening Miss Irma,
I think my operating system is not XP, Vista, but Me which is millennium edition, I think that relates to your failure to send me your files.
You can send me your photos here. I'm looking forward to receiving your files.
Attached is a photo of me and Professor Don from Los Banos.
Sincerely yours,
Eiko
I think my operating system is not XP, Vista, but Me which is millennium edition, I think that relates to your failure to send me your files.
You can send me your photos here. I'm looking forward to receiving your files.
Attached is a photo of me and Professor Don from Los Banos.
Sincerely yours,
Eiko
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as i can see your display image is avatar
by the way its too late in here and there too
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Irma:
Oh i see
Me:
I knew also I'm susceptible to medicine. Side effect was severe. How's your life planning going on? How's your private life? I'm likely to have a very big turning point of my life soon.
Irma:
I'm now busy with my new endeavor
the music environment
I will play tomorrow night i'll not be online
Me:
Then you ask what is that? Then I will reply next... new what? Yeah are you talented in keyboard? I didn't know that.
Irma:
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as i can see your display image is avatar
by the way its too late in here and there too
i have to sleep now
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Ok, good night. I hope you send me your file with email. It's easy ..see you again!
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ok goodnight
Yeah I was unwell this one month after I came back from other city. I was working in the city for one year and three month.
I'm now so so OK. What was my sickness? Vertigo or giddiness. I couldn't walk straight for a month. Lying all day long. Despite that I worked for no less than twenty hours a week. Albeit I will work 35 hours a week as of tomorrow.
I'm now so so OK. What was my sickness? Vertigo or giddiness. I couldn't walk straight for a month. Lying all day long. Despite that I worked for no less than twenty hours a week. Albeit I will work 35 hours a week as of tomorrow.
Calm morning
Hello good morning my friends!
Very calm morning indeed. No wind absolutely. No sound with the exception of murmuring of birds probably a dove and cry of dogs far far away.
Then I hear the whispering of small birds high above the sky.Sun starts shinning and wind starts blowing.
New day starts also today too.
Eiko
Very calm morning indeed. No wind absolutely. No sound with the exception of murmuring of birds probably a dove and cry of dogs far far away.
Then I hear the whispering of small birds high above the sky.Sun starts shinning and wind starts blowing.
New day starts also today too.
Eiko
Nice to meet you
Nice!
Welcome..I appreciate your sending emails. Please keep on..
Hi good morning Ms Mari, Nice to meet you! Eiko
Very calm morning indeed. No wind absolutely. No sound with the exception of murmuring of birds probably a dove and cry of dogs far far away.
Then I hear the whispering of small birds high above the sky.
Nice!
Welcome..I appreciate your sending emails. Please keep on..
Hi good morning Ms Mari, Nice to meet you! Eiko
Very calm morning indeed. No wind absolutely. No sound with the exception of murmuring of birds probably a dove and cry of dogs far far away.
Then I hear the whispering of small birds high above the sky.
Thursday, May 28, 2009
See you tomorrow
Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:25 AM
Hello good evening Br C**,
Thank you for many quotations from publications of the society.
You say Jesus will hand over power in Kingdom of God after 1000 years.
You say Jesus is a son of God. I think a son will succeed the Kingdom and don't return its tenure to his Father.
That is my simple impression after reading your explanation.
See you in tomorrow meeting.
I will send you another question before soon.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
Hello good evening Br C**,
Thank you for many quotations from publications of the society.
You say Jesus will hand over power in Kingdom of God after 1000 years.
You say Jesus is a son of God. I think a son will succeed the Kingdom and don't return its tenure to his Father.
That is my simple impression after reading your explanation.
See you in tomorrow meeting.
I will send you another question before soon.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
Fornication
Fornication
Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:54 AM
Hello good evening Br D**..
In this letter 'you' refers to 'institution' not specifically Br D** yourself..
I appreciate your explanation to injunction of blood in New Testament.
I think it's enough not to use animal blood in offering for the purpose of idol worship and of course not to drink blood just in order to keep abstinence of blood, but it's up to you. You ought to act as you think. No one can dissuade you from your decision. We all respect your decision.
In law there's an exception in applying it which is justifiable defence and emergent evacuation. Injunction of blood also ought to exclude the case which relates to a matter of life and death. Where's tolerance in your faith?
As to fornication. It is very natural for unmarried couples to have sexual relationship before their marriage. Many people have sex freely as long as they are under consent. Marriage usually regulates only their economic relationship, not their sexual relationship.
You often says fornication is bad, extramarital relationship is bad. But many people do so. I don't disagree as to the idea of sex ought to be done between married couples. But this decision is worthy if it is based on their free will.
I think fornication Bible warns not to do is not sex between unmarried couples, but rather excessive lust ordinary people usually don't have.
This is my impression I had in my Bible reading. How do you think about this? Bible is not a book of prohibition as you often emphasise. Let's take it easier, shall we!
Please respond to me when you can. I wait.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:54 AM
Hello good evening Br D**..
In this letter 'you' refers to 'institution' not specifically Br D** yourself..
I appreciate your explanation to injunction of blood in New Testament.
I think it's enough not to use animal blood in offering for the purpose of idol worship and of course not to drink blood just in order to keep abstinence of blood, but it's up to you. You ought to act as you think. No one can dissuade you from your decision. We all respect your decision.
In law there's an exception in applying it which is justifiable defence and emergent evacuation. Injunction of blood also ought to exclude the case which relates to a matter of life and death. Where's tolerance in your faith?
As to fornication. It is very natural for unmarried couples to have sexual relationship before their marriage. Many people have sex freely as long as they are under consent. Marriage usually regulates only their economic relationship, not their sexual relationship.
You often says fornication is bad, extramarital relationship is bad. But many people do so. I don't disagree as to the idea of sex ought to be done between married couples. But this decision is worthy if it is based on their free will.
I think fornication Bible warns not to do is not sex between unmarried couples, but rather excessive lust ordinary people usually don't have.
This is my impression I had in my Bible reading. How do you think about this? Bible is not a book of prohibition as you often emphasise. Let's take it easier, shall we!
Please respond to me when you can. I wait.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
Wednesday, May 27, 2009
Tuesday, May 26, 2009
What's up?
Hi Tim..
I was wondering what you are doing.
I've been writing many personal letters and all are kept in my blog.
Sometimes visit my site. For example here http://mercedo-eve.blogspot.com/
I'm very glad you say you study hard.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
I was wondering what you are doing.
I've been writing many personal letters and all are kept in my blog.
Sometimes visit my site. For example here http://mercedo-eve.blogspot.com/
I'm very glad you say you study hard.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
Monday, May 25, 2009
Essence of God
Hello good evening Br H**..
Yes, this is based on my personal experience. About 33 years ago in Kora a very old guy who is Jehovah's Witnesses refused to take blood transfusion in operation. He's dead as a result of this action. At that time his case was reported in a newspaper.
He was over 80. He must have had a death from natural cause sooner or later, but anyway he refused to live longer by possible medical procedure.
I know two other cases as I told you before.. A married couple was attending some church regularly. After about a year of attendance they took their baby in a church. Their baby was apparently suffered from jaundice and probably the day was the last day on earth. He was swelled more than two times from ordinary state with full of yellow skin. They never visit the church again after this.
A guy was attending the church, after 9 months of his attending he was unable to come any more. Later I heard he was killed by cancer.
Probably in both two cases they must have been looking for rescue in soul. Here lies the essence of religion I suppose.
I think resurrection will take place. For God's eyes it comes soon. But for human eyes it will take millions of years. Science can do anything, that is I believe the essence of God.
By the way.. what do you do in the United States?
Sincerely yours.
Mer
Yes, this is based on my personal experience. About 33 years ago in Kora a very old guy who is Jehovah's Witnesses refused to take blood transfusion in operation. He's dead as a result of this action. At that time his case was reported in a newspaper.
He was over 80. He must have had a death from natural cause sooner or later, but anyway he refused to live longer by possible medical procedure.
I know two other cases as I told you before.. A married couple was attending some church regularly. After about a year of attendance they took their baby in a church. Their baby was apparently suffered from jaundice and probably the day was the last day on earth. He was swelled more than two times from ordinary state with full of yellow skin. They never visit the church again after this.
A guy was attending the church, after 9 months of his attending he was unable to come any more. Later I heard he was killed by cancer.
Probably in both two cases they must have been looking for rescue in soul. Here lies the essence of religion I suppose.
I think resurrection will take place. For God's eyes it comes soon. But for human eyes it will take millions of years. Science can do anything, that is I believe the essence of God.
By the way.. what do you do in the United States?
Sincerely yours.
Mer
Kingdom of God
Hello good morning Br **..
I finished reading your lengthy reply very late last night at around 3 am. Thank you very much for your enthusiasm to defence for your faith. This is not a sarcastic. Bible what is today was written many years ago and it's been 1900 years since the last chapter was completed. Bible has been interpreted in many ways as well, depending on how to interpret the verses. That's fine if you have some conviction based on faith in your direction of life. That not what others say it's wrong or right.
Yes there is an injunction of fat, pork and blood in Old Testament and blood only in New one. You interpret the prohibition of blood is still in effect over all Christians not only as offering, drinking but also for medical purposes. You can use fractions of red and white blood cells, platelets, plasma and other blood derived medicines such as immuno-globulin, etc. according to conscience of each Christians but you mustn't donate blood or receive blood transfusion.
This is a faith matter. Faith relates to how to live and sometimes heavier than life itself.
I understand and I should like to respect your faith.
In many Christendoms Sunday is called Lord's Day which means the day of Jesus or God.
Sun was an object of worship in many ancient Orient civilisations such as Egypt or Babylonia. Jewish Sabbath is taken from sundown on Friday to Saturday night till three stars are visible. So I confirmed it one day and 40 minutes. (So it was not 1.5 days as I thought before in my previous reading.)
Jewish people experienced Egypt and Seleucid occupation from 323 - 198, 198 - 166 BE respectively. It can easily be guessed that the custom of which day the day of rest is shifted from Saturday to Sunday influenced by the traditions of such occupant countries who believe the God of Sun. I think the resurrection of Jesus and baptism as a ritual also come from Sun worship since the sun is the one that repeat birth and death every day.
But officially yeah it was Constantine who implemented Sunday is the holy day adopting sun worship so common among other orient countries. Cross was also adopted from the sign of Sun god in Babylonia at the same time. And this was the reason you exclude Lord's Day and Cross in your Christian belief.
In several ways you excluded some customs major Christendoms implemented after the death of Jesus. Your belief is similar to original Christianity. In a sense it is a restoration movement to original Christianity in the first century. I myself feel Christianity today has been made through many traditions Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestant put into effects.
You seem to be different from Christianity since you don't use cross, don't celebrate Christmas, don't have church, but that's the very reason of what you are.
No questions? Yes, I have. In Kingdom of God, is the King Jesus, not God? Is there difference between Kingdom of God and that of Heaven? Then where is Heaven located ? Since we see two expressions in Gospels.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
I finished reading your lengthy reply very late last night at around 3 am. Thank you very much for your enthusiasm to defence for your faith. This is not a sarcastic. Bible what is today was written many years ago and it's been 1900 years since the last chapter was completed. Bible has been interpreted in many ways as well, depending on how to interpret the verses. That's fine if you have some conviction based on faith in your direction of life. That not what others say it's wrong or right.
Yes there is an injunction of fat, pork and blood in Old Testament and blood only in New one. You interpret the prohibition of blood is still in effect over all Christians not only as offering, drinking but also for medical purposes. You can use fractions of red and white blood cells, platelets, plasma and other blood derived medicines such as immuno-globulin, etc. according to conscience of each Christians but you mustn't donate blood or receive blood transfusion.
This is a faith matter. Faith relates to how to live and sometimes heavier than life itself.
I understand and I should like to respect your faith.
In many Christendoms Sunday is called Lord's Day which means the day of Jesus or God.
Sun was an object of worship in many ancient Orient civilisations such as Egypt or Babylonia. Jewish Sabbath is taken from sundown on Friday to Saturday night till three stars are visible. So I confirmed it one day and 40 minutes. (So it was not 1.5 days as I thought before in my previous reading.)
Jewish people experienced Egypt and Seleucid occupation from 323 - 198, 198 - 166 BE respectively. It can easily be guessed that the custom of which day the day of rest is shifted from Saturday to Sunday influenced by the traditions of such occupant countries who believe the God of Sun. I think the resurrection of Jesus and baptism as a ritual also come from Sun worship since the sun is the one that repeat birth and death every day.
But officially yeah it was Constantine who implemented Sunday is the holy day adopting sun worship so common among other orient countries. Cross was also adopted from the sign of Sun god in Babylonia at the same time. And this was the reason you exclude Lord's Day and Cross in your Christian belief.
In several ways you excluded some customs major Christendoms implemented after the death of Jesus. Your belief is similar to original Christianity. In a sense it is a restoration movement to original Christianity in the first century. I myself feel Christianity today has been made through many traditions Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestant put into effects.
You seem to be different from Christianity since you don't use cross, don't celebrate Christmas, don't have church, but that's the very reason of what you are.
No questions? Yes, I have. In Kingdom of God, is the King Jesus, not God? Is there difference between Kingdom of God and that of Heaven? Then where is Heaven located ? Since we see two expressions in Gospels.
Sincerely yours,
Mer
Caregiving
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Oh, I am not well any way..what's up?
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Why?
Me:
Still dizziness ..
It's OK.. Did you decide where to go?
Irma:
Oh there is a swine flu nowadays
be careful
My sister told me to study caregiving because Japan is hiring so many caregivers
they are giving working visas for caregivers
its just 6 mos study
Me:
Yeah that's right. Japan is now so-called super high life expectancy country. I find many elder house here and there. So did you decide to take a course in Angeles City?
Irma:
I'm planning but I will try first my luck in Entertainment I belong now to sequencer band
my brother will probably fly to Bahrain on Thursday
they got the first booking
Me:
Singing or dancing? Fantastics!! I feel like to watch your dancing on the stage!!
Irma:
no I'm just operating a laptop with a keyboard(piano)
I have 3 professional singers
they were beautiful and sexy
Me:
Sexy..I like that. So are you going to Bahrain soon?
Irma:
maybe in other places somewhere in Middle east
we are still having our video tomorrow\
Me:
Let me be your guarantor when you decided where to come in Japan. But if you become nurse you can come here much easier. Work as nurse is dull and elaborate.
Irma:
nursing course takes 4 yrs but caregiving its a practical nursing course just for 6 mos
Me:
I see. Can you take a course in Angeles or do you need to stay in Manilla?
Irma:
No there are some school for caregiving here with a niponggo subject
am not sure if nihonggo or niponggo
Me:
Both are correct.
Irma:
oh ok
Me:
You grin?
I'm Japanase and I can can help you anyway..
Irma:
maybe i have to save some money first for my schooling anyway in case our contract in middle east will only be 3 to 6 mos
Me:
How much does it take for its course?
Irma:
$400 for 6 mos
Me:
Very reasonable in standard here.
Irma:
yes
How much do you think is the salary of caregivers there in Japan?
Me:
I think for Japanese nationals it's $1500 so for you ...$700. Good employer will pay $1000
Irma:
Oh i see
I will try first my luck in Entertainment because we just have the same salary
offere
offer
and besides we'll have tips also
much better
Me:
You can make ends meet soon anyway. I recommend you to get a job through government or local municipalities. There are many bad employers in private ones. Yeah, only rich people come to clubs and bars, and they give tips..good idea to save money in entertainment.
Irma:
i think so
anyway take a rest Eiko
get well soon
Me:
Thanks.. call me any time again! See you soon!
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Me:
Oh, I am not well any way..what's up?
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Why?
Me:
Still dizziness ..
It's OK.. Did you decide where to go?
Irma:
Oh there is a swine flu nowadays
be careful
My sister told me to study caregiving because Japan is hiring so many caregivers
they are giving working visas for caregivers
its just 6 mos study
Me:
Yeah that's right. Japan is now so-called super high life expectancy country. I find many elder house here and there. So did you decide to take a course in Angeles City?
Irma:
I'm planning but I will try first my luck in Entertainment I belong now to sequencer band
my brother will probably fly to Bahrain on Thursday
they got the first booking
Me:
Singing or dancing? Fantastics!! I feel like to watch your dancing on the stage!!
Irma:
no I'm just operating a laptop with a keyboard(piano)
I have 3 professional singers
they were beautiful and sexy
Me:
Sexy..I like that. So are you going to Bahrain soon?
Irma:
maybe in other places somewhere in Middle east
we are still having our video tomorrow\
Me:
Let me be your guarantor when you decided where to come in Japan. But if you become nurse you can come here much easier. Work as nurse is dull and elaborate.
Irma:
nursing course takes 4 yrs but caregiving its a practical nursing course just for 6 mos
Me:
I see. Can you take a course in Angeles or do you need to stay in Manilla?
Irma:
No there are some school for caregiving here with a niponggo subject
am not sure if nihonggo or niponggo
Me:
Both are correct.
Irma:
oh ok
Me:
You grin?
I'm Japanase and I can can help you anyway..
Irma:
maybe i have to save some money first for my schooling anyway in case our contract in middle east will only be 3 to 6 mos
Me:
How much does it take for its course?
Irma:
$400 for 6 mos
Me:
Very reasonable in standard here.
Irma:
yes
How much do you think is the salary of caregivers there in Japan?
Me:
I think for Japanese nationals it's $1500 so for you ...$700. Good employer will pay $1000
Irma:
Oh i see
I will try first my luck in Entertainment because we just have the same salary
offere
offer
and besides we'll have tips also
much better
Me:
You can make ends meet soon anyway. I recommend you to get a job through government or local municipalities. There are many bad employers in private ones. Yeah, only rich people come to clubs and bars, and they give tips..good idea to save money in entertainment.
Irma:
i think so
anyway take a rest Eiko
get well soon
Me:
Thanks.. call me any time again! See you soon!
Irma:
ok bye for now
Friday, May 22, 2009
Two letters
Aritificial blood
Hello good afternoon Br **..
Yeah I was supposed to wait your sending a reply for my first email. So sorry too.
>this decision was made by a group of older men
That's right, but that does not necessarily mean in 21c all Christians ought to follow.
Refrain from blood was commanded because still in early century blood was sometimes on the table. ( I read this description from 'Apologeticus' written by Tertullian (ca.155–230) or even if it were not on the table animal blood was used in idol worship. From such various point of view I guess blood needed to be kept away from Christian's mouth.
When we think about the meaning of command we must consider its background, context,etc. For example because Mose's law was repealed by the death of Jesus today's Christians no more try to follow Mosaic law. I guess old congregation leaders as St James couldn't realise the real meaning of the death of Jesus and said so just to ease the tension between Gentile and Jewish congregations. For example Jews don't baptise while Jesus did so though, let alone they must have thought they are different from Gentiles in treatment of blood.
Blood prohibition was appears three times in Bible. One is in Genesis and this command was given to Noah, and second was in Leviticus given to Israelites. the third one was in Acts. So many agree Old Covenant was replaced by New Covenant. Some say command given to Noah was not nullified by New Covenant so command given to Noah is still in effect.
Is that so? I'm afraid not. Jesus is greater than Moses, let alone than Adam, Noah. Since Jesus existed before the first man, I think we ought to put maximum significance on the Advent of Jesus in if we were Christians and that's the meaning of I though the Redemption.
I'm glad you take fractions of red, white blood cell, platelets, plasma, but are you originally doing so? or sometime after you decided not to accept blood transfusion you decided to accept such products derived from blood? Not sure.
Suppose you were banned to take milk instead. Do you insist powdered milk, condensed milk, milk candy, soft cream are OK since they are not milk but a product derived from milk? So if someone take red, while blood cell, platelets, plasma at the same time is it OK?
But aside from all what I wrote here, whether you take blood or not belongs to conscience of each individual Christians. In Acts we read Refrain from blood, whether it includes merely evading to use animal blood for sacrifice or too far to include blood related medicines as immunoglobulin, or blood transfusion in operation. It's up to us not up to other's decision. I merely believe if some Christians accepted blood transfusion you cannot blame they are a violator. I think so.
So my question this time is do you use artificial blood in need if it were invented some day in future?
Yes, I am now in ** and attending the meeting regularly as of 11th of April. I wish you were here, but let's resume Bible study on line! I appreciate your advice.
At second world war you refused to go to war and put into camps in Germany. It was very meaningful because war in general is against humanity, conscience of Christians. But how about the refusal of blood transfusion! That benefits who?
I say to myself.. This feeling is from my personal experience. He's dead in hope of resurrection. Probably resurrection will take place in millions of years in future time. But till then who cares?
See you in next email.
With Christian sincerity
Mer
posted by Eiko Onoda at 2:12 AM 0 Comments
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
So sorry
Hello good evening Br **..
Oh, you were still composing your thoughts about my first mail. Sorry, I was impatient and made you hurry.
As you say if Mosaic law was repealed in Christ death, that's what I pointed out about the meaning of Redemption.. but it seems this idea is not original..
Blood prohibition was mentioned three times that is in Genesis to Noah, Leviticus to Israelites, and the third one is to Gentiles in Acts.
Command given to Noah is not Mosaic law, that's why this law is not nullified by the Death of Jesus? Moses recorded a command given to Noah since he is the one who wrote the first book Genesis. Is there any difference between command given to Noah and Mosaic law? I don't think there is.
As to the description in Acts about it I read Catholic had already solved this matter in 1442 Session 11 of the Council of Florence.
So my main question is isn't blood prohibition nullified through the death of Jesus?
If not, what was the meaning of Redemption?
Please take your time as long as two weeks. I will send another email after that.
Best wishes,
Mer
Hello good afternoon Br **..
Yeah I was supposed to wait your sending a reply for my first email. So sorry too.
>this decision was made by a group of older men
That's right, but that does not necessarily mean in 21c all Christians ought to follow.
Refrain from blood was commanded because still in early century blood was sometimes on the table. ( I read this description from 'Apologeticus' written by Tertullian (ca.155–230) or even if it were not on the table animal blood was used in idol worship. From such various point of view I guess blood needed to be kept away from Christian's mouth.
When we think about the meaning of command we must consider its background, context,etc. For example because Mose's law was repealed by the death of Jesus today's Christians no more try to follow Mosaic law. I guess old congregation leaders as St James couldn't realise the real meaning of the death of Jesus and said so just to ease the tension between Gentile and Jewish congregations. For example Jews don't baptise while Jesus did so though, let alone they must have thought they are different from Gentiles in treatment of blood.
Blood prohibition was appears three times in Bible. One is in Genesis and this command was given to Noah, and second was in Leviticus given to Israelites. the third one was in Acts. So many agree Old Covenant was replaced by New Covenant. Some say command given to Noah was not nullified by New Covenant so command given to Noah is still in effect.
Is that so? I'm afraid not. Jesus is greater than Moses, let alone than Adam, Noah. Since Jesus existed before the first man, I think we ought to put maximum significance on the Advent of Jesus in if we were Christians and that's the meaning of I though the Redemption.
I'm glad you take fractions of red, white blood cell, platelets, plasma, but are you originally doing so? or sometime after you decided not to accept blood transfusion you decided to accept such products derived from blood? Not sure.
Suppose you were banned to take milk instead. Do you insist powdered milk, condensed milk, milk candy, soft cream are OK since they are not milk but a product derived from milk? So if someone take red, while blood cell, platelets, plasma at the same time is it OK?
But aside from all what I wrote here, whether you take blood or not belongs to conscience of each individual Christians. In Acts we read Refrain from blood, whether it includes merely evading to use animal blood for sacrifice or too far to include blood related medicines as immunoglobulin, or blood transfusion in operation. It's up to us not up to other's decision. I merely believe if some Christians accepted blood transfusion you cannot blame they are a violator. I think so.
So my question this time is do you use artificial blood in need if it were invented some day in future?
Yes, I am now in ** and attending the meeting regularly as of 11th of April. I wish you were here, but let's resume Bible study on line! I appreciate your advice.
At second world war you refused to go to war and put into camps in Germany. It was very meaningful because war in general is against humanity, conscience of Christians. But how about the refusal of blood transfusion! That benefits who?
I say to myself.. This feeling is from my personal experience. He's dead in hope of resurrection. Probably resurrection will take place in millions of years in future time. But till then who cares?
See you in next email.
With Christian sincerity
Mer
posted by Eiko Onoda at 2:12 AM 0 Comments
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
So sorry
Hello good evening Br **..
Oh, you were still composing your thoughts about my first mail. Sorry, I was impatient and made you hurry.
As you say if Mosaic law was repealed in Christ death, that's what I pointed out about the meaning of Redemption.. but it seems this idea is not original..
Blood prohibition was mentioned three times that is in Genesis to Noah, Leviticus to Israelites, and the third one is to Gentiles in Acts.
Command given to Noah is not Mosaic law, that's why this law is not nullified by the Death of Jesus? Moses recorded a command given to Noah since he is the one who wrote the first book Genesis. Is there any difference between command given to Noah and Mosaic law? I don't think there is.
As to the description in Acts about it I read Catholic had already solved this matter in 1442 Session 11 of the Council of Florence.
So my main question is isn't blood prohibition nullified through the death of Jesus?
If not, what was the meaning of Redemption?
Please take your time as long as two weeks. I will send another email after that.
Best wishes,
Mer
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Aritificial blood
Hello good afternoon Br **..
Yeah I was supposed to wait your sending a reply for my first email. So sorry too.
>this decision was made by a group of older men
That's right, but that does not necessarily mean in 21c all Christians ought to follow.
Refrain from blood was commanded because still in early century blood was sometimes on the table. ( I read this description from 'Apologeticus' written by Tertullian (ca.155–230) or even if it were not on the table animal blood was used in idol worship. From such various point of view I guess blood needed to be kept away from Christian's mouth.
When we think about the meaning of command we must consider its background, context,etc. For example because Mose's law was repealed by the death of Jesus today's Christians no more try to follow Mosaic law. I guess old congregation leaders as St James couldn't realise the real meaning of the death of Jesus and said so just to ease the tension between Gentile and Jewish congregations. For example Jews don't baptise while Jesus did so though, let alone they must have thought they are different from Gentiles in treatment of blood.
Blood prohibition was appears three times in Bible. One is in Genesis and this command was given to Noah, and second was in Leviticus given to Israelites. the third one was in Acts. So many agree Old Covenant was replaced by New Covenant. Some say command given to Noah was not nullified by New Covenant so command given to Noah is still in effect.
Is that so? I'm afraid not. Jesus is greater than Moses, let alone than Adam, Noah. Since Jesus existed before the first man, I think we ought to put maximum significance on the Advent of Jesus in if we were Christians and that's the meaning of I though the Redemption.
I'm glad you take fractions of red, white blood cell, platelets, plasma, but are you originally doing so? or sometime after you decided not to accept blood transfusion you decided to accept such products derived from blood? Not sure.
Suppose you were banned to take milk instead. Do you insist powdered milk, condensed milk, milk candy, soft cream are OK since they are not milk but a product derived from milk? So if someone take red, while blood cell, platelets, plasma at the same time is it OK?
But aside from all what I wrote here, whether you take blood or not belongs to conscience of each individual Christians. In Acts we read Refrain from blood, whether it includes merely evading to use animal blood for sacrifice or too far to include blood related medicines as immunoglobulin, or blood transfusion in operation. It's up to us not up to other's decision. I merely believe if some Christians accepted blood transfusion you cannot blame they are a violator. I think so.
So my question this time is do you use artificial blood in need if it were invented some day in future?
Yes, I am now in :: and attending the meeting regularly as of 11th of April. I wish you were here, but let's resume Bible study on line! I appreciate your advice.
At second world war you refused to go to war and put into camps in Germany. It was very meaningful because war in general is against humanity, conscience of Christians. But how about the refusal of blood transfusion! That benefits who?
I say to myself.. This feeling is from my personal experience. He's dead in hope of resurrection. Probably resurrection will take place in millions of years in future time. But till then who cares?
See you in next email.
With Christian sincerity
Mer
Yeah I was supposed to wait your sending a reply for my first email. So sorry too.
>this decision was made by a group of older men
That's right, but that does not necessarily mean in 21c all Christians ought to follow.
Refrain from blood was commanded because still in early century blood was sometimes on the table. ( I read this description from 'Apologeticus' written by Tertullian (ca.155–230) or even if it were not on the table animal blood was used in idol worship. From such various point of view I guess blood needed to be kept away from Christian's mouth.
When we think about the meaning of command we must consider its background, context,etc. For example because Mose's law was repealed by the death of Jesus today's Christians no more try to follow Mosaic law. I guess old congregation leaders as St James couldn't realise the real meaning of the death of Jesus and said so just to ease the tension between Gentile and Jewish congregations. For example Jews don't baptise while Jesus did so though, let alone they must have thought they are different from Gentiles in treatment of blood.
Blood prohibition was appears three times in Bible. One is in Genesis and this command was given to Noah, and second was in Leviticus given to Israelites. the third one was in Acts. So many agree Old Covenant was replaced by New Covenant. Some say command given to Noah was not nullified by New Covenant so command given to Noah is still in effect.
Is that so? I'm afraid not. Jesus is greater than Moses, let alone than Adam, Noah. Since Jesus existed before the first man, I think we ought to put maximum significance on the Advent of Jesus in if we were Christians and that's the meaning of I though the Redemption.
I'm glad you take fractions of red, white blood cell, platelets, plasma, but are you originally doing so? or sometime after you decided not to accept blood transfusion you decided to accept such products derived from blood? Not sure.
Suppose you were banned to take milk instead. Do you insist powdered milk, condensed milk, milk candy, soft cream are OK since they are not milk but a product derived from milk? So if someone take red, while blood cell, platelets, plasma at the same time is it OK?
But aside from all what I wrote here, whether you take blood or not belongs to conscience of each individual Christians. In Acts we read Refrain from blood, whether it includes merely evading to use animal blood for sacrifice or too far to include blood related medicines as immunoglobulin, or blood transfusion in operation. It's up to us not up to other's decision. I merely believe if some Christians accepted blood transfusion you cannot blame they are a violator. I think so.
So my question this time is do you use artificial blood in need if it were invented some day in future?
Yes, I am now in :: and attending the meeting regularly as of 11th of April. I wish you were here, but let's resume Bible study on line! I appreciate your advice.
At second world war you refused to go to war and put into camps in Germany. It was very meaningful because war in general is against humanity, conscience of Christians. But how about the refusal of blood transfusion! That benefits who?
I say to myself.. This feeling is from my personal experience. He's dead in hope of resurrection. Probably resurrection will take place in millions of years in future time. But till then who cares?
See you in next email.
With Christian sincerity
Mer
So sorry
Hello good evening Br **..
Oh, you were still composing your thoughts about my first mail. Sorry, I was impatient and made you hurry.
As you say if Mosaic law was repealed in Christ death, that's what I pointed out about the meaning of Redemption.. but it seems this idea is not original..
Blood prohibition was mentioned three times that is in Genesis to Noah, Leviticus to Israelites, and the third one is to Gentiles in Acts.
Command given to Noah is not Mosaic law, that's why this law is not nullified by the Death of Jesus? Moses recorded a command given to Noah since he is the one who wrote the first book Genesis. Is there any difference between command given to Noah and Mosaic law? I don't think there is.
As to the description in Acts about it I read Catholic had already solved this matter in 1442 Session 11 of the Council of Florence.
So my main question is isn't blood prohibition nullified through the death of Jesus?
If not, what was the meaning of Redemption?
Please take your time as long as two weeks. I will send another email after that.
Best wishes,
Mer
Oh, you were still composing your thoughts about my first mail. Sorry, I was impatient and made you hurry.
As you say if Mosaic law was repealed in Christ death, that's what I pointed out about the meaning of Redemption.. but it seems this idea is not original..
Blood prohibition was mentioned three times that is in Genesis to Noah, Leviticus to Israelites, and the third one is to Gentiles in Acts.
Command given to Noah is not Mosaic law, that's why this law is not nullified by the Death of Jesus? Moses recorded a command given to Noah since he is the one who wrote the first book Genesis. Is there any difference between command given to Noah and Mosaic law? I don't think there is.
As to the description in Acts about it I read Catholic had already solved this matter in 1442 Session 11 of the Council of Florence.
So my main question is isn't blood prohibition nullified through the death of Jesus?
If not, what was the meaning of Redemption?
Please take your time as long as two weeks. I will send another email after that.
Best wishes,
Mer
Tuesday, May 19, 2009
Council of Florence 1442 Session 11
mercedo wrote today at 4:32 AM
> it's only Mosaic law that is rendered null and void by "the New Covenant".
I thought this is the meaning of redemption, but I guess many knew already..
However the fact is this is given to Noah.In 1442 in the council of Florence, session 11 as to Acts description this is interpreted as follows.
>It firmly believes, professes and teaches that every creature of God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because according to the word of the Lord not what goes into the mouth defiles a person, and because the difference in the Mosaic law between clean and unclean foods belongs to ceremonial practices, which have passed away and lost their efficacy with the coming of the gospel. It also declares that the apostolic prohibition, to abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled, was suited to that time when a single church was rising from Jews and gentiles, who previously lived with different ceremonies and customs. This was so that the gentiles should have some observances in common with Jews, and occasion would be offered of coming together in one worship and faith of God and a cause of dissension might be removed, since by ancient custom blood and strangled things seemed abominable to Jews, and gentiles could be thought to be returning to idolatry if they ate sacrificial food. In places, however, where the Christian religion has been promulgated to such an extent that no Jew is to be met with and all have joined the church, uniformly practising the same rites and ceremonies of the gospel and believing that to the clean all things are clean, since the cause of that apostolic prohibition has ceased, so its effect has ceased. It condemns, then, no kind of food that human society accepts and nobody at all neither man nor woman, should make a distinction between animals, no matter how they died; although for the health of the body, for the practice of virtue or for the sake of regular and ecclesiastical discipline many things that are not proscribed can and should be omitted, as the apostle says all things are lawful, but not all are helpful.
So this is already settled in Catholic world.
As to the deference between order to Noah and Mosaic law, I don't think there's substantial difference since Pentateuch was thought to be written by Moses.
> it's only Mosaic law that is rendered null and void by "the New Covenant".
I thought this is the meaning of redemption, but I guess many knew already..
However the fact is this is given to Noah.In 1442 in the council of Florence, session 11 as to Acts description this is interpreted as follows.
>It firmly believes, professes and teaches that every creature of God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because according to the word of the Lord not what goes into the mouth defiles a person, and because the difference in the Mosaic law between clean and unclean foods belongs to ceremonial practices, which have passed away and lost their efficacy with the coming of the gospel. It also declares that the apostolic prohibition, to abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled, was suited to that time when a single church was rising from Jews and gentiles, who previously lived with different ceremonies and customs. This was so that the gentiles should have some observances in common with Jews, and occasion would be offered of coming together in one worship and faith of God and a cause of dissension might be removed, since by ancient custom blood and strangled things seemed abominable to Jews, and gentiles could be thought to be returning to idolatry if they ate sacrificial food. In places, however, where the Christian religion has been promulgated to such an extent that no Jew is to be met with and all have joined the church, uniformly practising the same rites and ceremonies of the gospel and believing that to the clean all things are clean, since the cause of that apostolic prohibition has ceased, so its effect has ceased. It condemns, then, no kind of food that human society accepts and nobody at all neither man nor woman, should make a distinction between animals, no matter how they died; although for the health of the body, for the practice of virtue or for the sake of regular and ecclesiastical discipline many things that are not proscribed can and should be omitted, as the apostle says all things are lawful, but not all are helpful.
So this is already settled in Catholic world.
As to the deference between order to Noah and Mosaic law, I don't think there's substantial difference since Pentateuch was thought to be written by Moses.
mercedo wrote today at 3:57 AM
Leviticus 7:22 -27 also prohibits having fat. This is much more practical in our times since it causes lots of diseases. I'm not sure if they follow.
Leviticus 7:22 -27 also prohibits having fat. This is much more practical in our times since it causes lots of diseases. I'm not sure if they follow.
Blood & Fat
Hello good evening Br **..
As I stated in my previous reply it's up to you whether to consider transfusion is a violation.
Other denominations don't have such troubles, in Catholic Council of Florence 1442, Session 11, already issued a decree which says his word was uttered to ease tensions between congregations of Jews and Gentiles and ought to be taken its validity temporarily.
In Nicene Council 325 Arianism was thought pagan. Yet you take a standpoint of nontrinitarian view.
You use the term stake instead of cross.
This is correct, since stauros means in Greek a upright pole, not a cross. It was Constantine who connects Babylonian tradition and Christianity.
It's OK, but are you the one who don't celebrate Sunday as Lord's Day? Even if not so still you take holiday in this day. Isn't it a heretic tradition?
I think many cultures are interwoven together, so it's hard and meaningless to define which is Christian and which is not.
Leviticus 7: 22 -26 says fat is also prohibited. I have never heard fat is banned in the meeting though. Do you regard this prohibition is not valid any more because it's a Mosaic law - the same theory as swine?
I'm not sure whether blood was on the table in ancient times, but if it's so this prohibition counts a lot. And it counts a lot today since blood transfusions are common.. so it's up to you. But I think it's more practical to obey the order of abstaining from fat in our times since it causes various diseases.
I think I am much better now..
See you soon,
Mer
As I stated in my previous reply it's up to you whether to consider transfusion is a violation.
Other denominations don't have such troubles, in Catholic Council of Florence 1442, Session 11, already issued a decree which says his word was uttered to ease tensions between congregations of Jews and Gentiles and ought to be taken its validity temporarily.
In Nicene Council 325 Arianism was thought pagan. Yet you take a standpoint of nontrinitarian view.
You use the term stake instead of cross.
This is correct, since stauros means in Greek a upright pole, not a cross. It was Constantine who connects Babylonian tradition and Christianity.
It's OK, but are you the one who don't celebrate Sunday as Lord's Day? Even if not so still you take holiday in this day. Isn't it a heretic tradition?
I think many cultures are interwoven together, so it's hard and meaningless to define which is Christian and which is not.
Leviticus 7: 22 -26 says fat is also prohibited. I have never heard fat is banned in the meeting though. Do you regard this prohibition is not valid any more because it's a Mosaic law - the same theory as swine?
I'm not sure whether blood was on the table in ancient times, but if it's so this prohibition counts a lot. And it counts a lot today since blood transfusions are common.. so it's up to you. But I think it's more practical to obey the order of abstaining from fat in our times since it causes various diseases.
I think I am much better now..
See you soon,
Mer
Saturday, May 16, 2009
Direct communication
mercedo wrote today at 10:54 PM
Hello from the screen!
Many don't think we have seen one another, but the fact is I feel as if I saw you and talked through the net every time I visited your site.
I spend many hours before the screen. Here's where I am.
Hello from the screen!
Many don't think we have seen one another, but the fact is I feel as if I saw you and talked through the net every time I visited your site.
I spend many hours before the screen. Here's where I am.
Friday, May 15, 2009
Meaning of Redemption
Hello good morning Br **..
I was thinking overnight as to why Jehovah's Witnesses can eat pork but cannot get one of medical procedures -blood transfusion.
I thought about the meaning of Jesus's last word -wine represents his blood, and the meaning of Redemption, prohibition under Mosaic law and their likely release under New Covenant.
Religious freedom is more important than life itself. If Jehovah's Witnesses say no to transfusions we all have to pay deepest respect to their decision no matter what the basis of their decision might be. It is their solemn, own freedom. Freedom of faith, which is a right guaranteed by Constitutions.
So I leave it to them. And here's my thought.
No meat has been banned under New Testament. Likewise in my opinion, blood is now OK for humans to make the most of from every aspects as much as we can.
Let' s think about the symbolic meaning of Redemption. This idea is very unique in Christianity. Blood of humans from Adam had been made unclean by original sin, yet Jesus redeemed its sin in his death on the torture stake. So humans are now eligible to get access to eternal life if they really repent.
Blood was originally used in pagan traditions in ancient times and of course in modern times contaminated blood causes many fatal diseases such as AIDS, hepatitis.
However once it is used and applied in completely sterile states, transfusion has been saving tens of precious lives and many other blood related products such as plasma, globulin have been a key to cure for many diseases. Then all of a sudden we understand why Jesus compared wine to his blood.
Then we also agree with the claim that blood stands for life made by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Doctor prescribed immunoglobulin when I was likely to suffer from tetanus three years ago, which is made of blood.
I know my idea is over-interpretation of the meaning of Redemption, but I believe scientific truth and religious belief go with in the long run.
My wishes,
Mer
I was thinking overnight as to why Jehovah's Witnesses can eat pork but cannot get one of medical procedures -blood transfusion.
I thought about the meaning of Jesus's last word -wine represents his blood, and the meaning of Redemption, prohibition under Mosaic law and their likely release under New Covenant.
Religious freedom is more important than life itself. If Jehovah's Witnesses say no to transfusions we all have to pay deepest respect to their decision no matter what the basis of their decision might be. It is their solemn, own freedom. Freedom of faith, which is a right guaranteed by Constitutions.
So I leave it to them. And here's my thought.
No meat has been banned under New Testament. Likewise in my opinion, blood is now OK for humans to make the most of from every aspects as much as we can.
Let' s think about the symbolic meaning of Redemption. This idea is very unique in Christianity. Blood of humans from Adam had been made unclean by original sin, yet Jesus redeemed its sin in his death on the torture stake. So humans are now eligible to get access to eternal life if they really repent.
Blood was originally used in pagan traditions in ancient times and of course in modern times contaminated blood causes many fatal diseases such as AIDS, hepatitis.
However once it is used and applied in completely sterile states, transfusion has been saving tens of precious lives and many other blood related products such as plasma, globulin have been a key to cure for many diseases. Then all of a sudden we understand why Jesus compared wine to his blood.
Then we also agree with the claim that blood stands for life made by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Doctor prescribed immunoglobulin when I was likely to suffer from tetanus three years ago, which is made of blood.
I know my idea is over-interpretation of the meaning of Redemption, but I believe scientific truth and religious belief go with in the long run.
My wishes,
Mer
Meaning of Redemption
Hello good evening Br **..
Long time no see. How are you?
I need your opinion.
I was thinking overnight as to why Jehovah's Witnesses can eat pork but cannot get one of medical procedures -blood transfusion.
I thought about the meaning of Jesus's last word -wine represents his blood, and the meaning of Redemption, prohibition under Mosaic law and their likely release under New Covenant.
Religious freedom is more important than life itself. If Jehovah's Witnesses say no to transfusions we all have to pay deepest respect to their decision no matter what the basis of their decision might be. It is their solemn, own freedom. Freedom of faith, which is a right guaranteed by Constitutions.
So I leave it to them. And here's my thought.
No meat has been banned under New Testament. Likewise in my opinion, blood is now OK for humans to make the most of from every aspects as much as we can.
Let' s think about the symbolic meaning of Redemption. This idea is very unique in Christianity. Blood of humans from Adam had been made unclean by original sin, yet Jesus redeemed its sin in his death on the torture stake. So humans are now eligible to get access to eternal life if they really repent.
Blood was originally used in pagan traditions in ancient times and of course in modern times contaminated blood causes many fatal diseases such as AIDS, hepatitis.
However once it is used and applied in completely sterile states, transfusion has been saving tens of precious lives and many other blood related products such as plasma, globulin have been a key to cure for many diseases. Then all of a sudden we understand why Jesus compared wine to his blood.
Then we also agree with the claim that blood stands for life made by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Doctor prescribed immunoglobulin when I was likely to suffer from tetanus three years ago, which is made of blood.
I know my idea is over-interpretation of the meaning of Redemption, but I believe scientific truth and religious belief go with in the long run.
My wishes,
Mer
Long time no see. How are you?
I need your opinion.
I was thinking overnight as to why Jehovah's Witnesses can eat pork but cannot get one of medical procedures -blood transfusion.
I thought about the meaning of Jesus's last word -wine represents his blood, and the meaning of Redemption, prohibition under Mosaic law and their likely release under New Covenant.
Religious freedom is more important than life itself. If Jehovah's Witnesses say no to transfusions we all have to pay deepest respect to their decision no matter what the basis of their decision might be. It is their solemn, own freedom. Freedom of faith, which is a right guaranteed by Constitutions.
So I leave it to them. And here's my thought.
No meat has been banned under New Testament. Likewise in my opinion, blood is now OK for humans to make the most of from every aspects as much as we can.
Let' s think about the symbolic meaning of Redemption. This idea is very unique in Christianity. Blood of humans from Adam had been made unclean by original sin, yet Jesus redeemed its sin in his death on the torture stake. So humans are now eligible to get access to eternal life if they really repent.
Blood was originally used in pagan traditions in ancient times and of course in modern times contaminated blood causes many fatal diseases such as AIDS, hepatitis.
However once it is used and applied in completely sterile states, transfusion has been saving tens of precious lives and many other blood related products such as plasma, globulin have been a key to cure for many diseases. Then all of a sudden we understand why Jesus compared wine to his blood.
Then we also agree with the claim that blood stands for life made by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Doctor prescribed immunoglobulin when I was likely to suffer from tetanus three years ago, which is made of blood.
I know my idea is over-interpretation of the meaning of Redemption, but I believe scientific truth and religious belief go with in the long run.
My wishes,
Mer
Meaning of Redemption
Hello good morning Br **..
To have a good friend is far and foremost pleasurable for our life. I feel completely rejuvenated having chat with a couple of friends there in Kingdom Hall.
Religious freedom is more important than life itself. If Jehovah's Witnesses say no to transfusions we all have to pay deepest respect to their decision no matter what the basis of their decision might be. It is their solemn, own freedom. Freedom of faith, which is a right guaranteed by Constitutions.
So I leave it to them. And here's my thought.
As you pointed out no meat has been banned under New Testament. Likewise in my opinion, blood is now OK for humans to make the most of from every aspects as much as we can.
Let' s think about the symbolic meaning of Redemption. This idea is very unique in Christianity. Blood of humans from Adam had been made unclean by original sin, yet Jesus redeemed its sin in his death on the torture stake. So humans are now eligible to get access to eternal life if they really repent.
Blood was originally used in pagan traditions in ancient times and of course in modern times contaminated blood causes many fatal diseases such as AIDS, hepatitis.
However once it is used and applied in completely sterile states, transfusion has been saving tens of precious lives and many other blood related products such as plasma, globulin have been a key to cure for many diseases. Then all of a sudden we understand why Jesus compared wine to his blood.
Then we also agree with the claim that blood stands for life made by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Doctor prescribed immunoglobulin when I was likely to suffer from tetanus three years ago, which is made of blood.
I know my idea is over-interpretation of the meaning of Redemption, but I believe scientific truth and religious belief go with in the long run.
My wishes,
Mer
To have a good friend is far and foremost pleasurable for our life. I feel completely rejuvenated having chat with a couple of friends there in Kingdom Hall.
Religious freedom is more important than life itself. If Jehovah's Witnesses say no to transfusions we all have to pay deepest respect to their decision no matter what the basis of their decision might be. It is their solemn, own freedom. Freedom of faith, which is a right guaranteed by Constitutions.
So I leave it to them. And here's my thought.
As you pointed out no meat has been banned under New Testament. Likewise in my opinion, blood is now OK for humans to make the most of from every aspects as much as we can.
Let' s think about the symbolic meaning of Redemption. This idea is very unique in Christianity. Blood of humans from Adam had been made unclean by original sin, yet Jesus redeemed its sin in his death on the torture stake. So humans are now eligible to get access to eternal life if they really repent.
Blood was originally used in pagan traditions in ancient times and of course in modern times contaminated blood causes many fatal diseases such as AIDS, hepatitis.
However once it is used and applied in completely sterile states, transfusion has been saving tens of precious lives and many other blood related products such as plasma, globulin have been a key to cure for many diseases. Then all of a sudden we understand why Jesus compared wine to his blood.
Then we also agree with the claim that blood stands for life made by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Doctor prescribed immunoglobulin when I was likely to suffer from tetanus three years ago, which is made of blood.
I know my idea is over-interpretation of the meaning of Redemption, but I believe scientific truth and religious belief go with in the long run.
My wishes,
Mer
Shed light
tom sheepandgoats said...
Your post seems addressed to a specific person, yet it it on a public blog. So I'm not sure how to comment, for fear you might say "who asked you?".
So I will commment on an aspect of transfusions you haven't asked about.
The stand of Jehovah's Witnesses regarding transfusion is, ever so gradually, entering medical mainstream. For different reasons, of course, but it is still happening. For example, New Scientist magazine ran an article recently entitled "An Act of Faith in the Operating Room." The act of faith was not refraining from a transfusion. It was giving one. Details here:
http://tinyurl.com/6n9lvx
6:26 AM
Eiko Onoda said...
Thanks Tom.. I appreciate your link which sheds light on new aspect in my thought.
I think basically any literal work is meant for only one reader. Both personal letters and literature have same value on it.
Only for one reader, therefore we become serious.
8:42 AM
edit comment publish this comment
Hello good afternoon Br **..
I think I send one query per week since it takes at least one hour for you to reply. You have lots of responsibility over English congregation now, so please spare me one or two hour for me per week.
I hadn't noticed I was asking particularly about the matters in Torah, because Old Testament has much more volumes than Greek Scriptures I might seem to have asked more about Torah, but I hadn't noticed about it till I was remarked from you. ..OK.. I try to ask more about New Testament from now.
But first sorry my next query relates to both New and Old Testaments. It is about blood transfusion.
Jehovah's Witnesses is well-known for their refusal to participation in World War II first and later they came to be known by refusal to one of modern medical treatments - blood transfusion.
As I confessed many times I have carefully read all Scriptures both New and Old already and I found two parts Jehovah's Witnesses has been relied on for their refusal to blood transfusion. I don' t mention them now because you must know them as well.
One is from Old Testament, which reads we can eat any meat but we need to get rid of blood and in New Testament it reads we get away from blood. No one scriptures say we mustn't inject others blood into our body.
Blood transfusion is a modern medical treatment started from 18th century- if I recall it correctly, so it's out of question we can't find such verses written before the first century.
As I pointed out in my last query that swine was banned from eating because it was contaminated from various germs, so the command was so proper for us to keep.
I don't think no modern humans from early civilisation had had blood for daily dietary. It must have related to very different heretic traditions though it was very sane for us not to have blood in our ordinary life. But how about transfusion? It is a medical procedure necessary for our urgent occasion. Sometimes this act is held out of pure philanthropic viewpoint, let alone it's nothing to do with heretic traditions.
Refusal to blood transfusion often bring about end of life immediately. I know one of my acquaintances who's dead after he refused it.
In this particular issue we can read in Revelation 16:6 that 'drink blood' and of course Jesus compared the red wine to his blood in Eucharist. How do you interpret them?
Best wishes,
Eiko
posted by Eiko Onoda at 12:36 AM on May 11, 2009
Your post seems addressed to a specific person, yet it it on a public blog. So I'm not sure how to comment, for fear you might say "who asked you?".
So I will commment on an aspect of transfusions you haven't asked about.
The stand of Jehovah's Witnesses regarding transfusion is, ever so gradually, entering medical mainstream. For different reasons, of course, but it is still happening. For example, New Scientist magazine ran an article recently entitled "An Act of Faith in the Operating Room." The act of faith was not refraining from a transfusion. It was giving one. Details here:
http://tinyurl.com/6n9lvx
6:26 AM
Eiko Onoda said...
Thanks Tom.. I appreciate your link which sheds light on new aspect in my thought.
I think basically any literal work is meant for only one reader. Both personal letters and literature have same value on it.
Only for one reader, therefore we become serious.
8:42 AM
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Hello good afternoon Br **..
I think I send one query per week since it takes at least one hour for you to reply. You have lots of responsibility over English congregation now, so please spare me one or two hour for me per week.
I hadn't noticed I was asking particularly about the matters in Torah, because Old Testament has much more volumes than Greek Scriptures I might seem to have asked more about Torah, but I hadn't noticed about it till I was remarked from you. ..OK.. I try to ask more about New Testament from now.
But first sorry my next query relates to both New and Old Testaments. It is about blood transfusion.
Jehovah's Witnesses is well-known for their refusal to participation in World War II first and later they came to be known by refusal to one of modern medical treatments - blood transfusion.
As I confessed many times I have carefully read all Scriptures both New and Old already and I found two parts Jehovah's Witnesses has been relied on for their refusal to blood transfusion. I don' t mention them now because you must know them as well.
One is from Old Testament, which reads we can eat any meat but we need to get rid of blood and in New Testament it reads we get away from blood. No one scriptures say we mustn't inject others blood into our body.
Blood transfusion is a modern medical treatment started from 18th century- if I recall it correctly, so it's out of question we can't find such verses written before the first century.
As I pointed out in my last query that swine was banned from eating because it was contaminated from various germs, so the command was so proper for us to keep.
I don't think no modern humans from early civilisation had had blood for daily dietary. It must have related to very different heretic traditions though it was very sane for us not to have blood in our ordinary life. But how about transfusion? It is a medical procedure necessary for our urgent occasion. Sometimes this act is held out of pure philanthropic viewpoint, let alone it's nothing to do with heretic traditions.
Refusal to blood transfusion often bring about end of life immediately. I know one of my acquaintances who's dead after he refused it.
In this particular issue we can read in Revelation 16:6 that 'drink blood' and of course Jesus compared the red wine to his blood in Eucharist. How do you interpret them?
Best wishes,
Eiko
posted by Eiko Onoda at 12:36 AM on May 11, 2009
Ecce Homo
No, it's just normal. No need for treatment. Struggling is non sense and harmful to their character, just stop it and leave it as they are. However one thing I remind you is how important for homos to find another homo. There's no problem as long as homos love another homo.
Thursday, May 14, 2009
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Think it in image
mercedo wrote today at 11:31 PM
The truth never contradicts itself. Right, and if it does, it means not true. If we think something in language, contradiction occurs inevitably. Think it in image.
The truth never contradicts itself. Right, and if it does, it means not true. If we think something in language, contradiction occurs inevitably. Think it in image.
Monday, May 11, 2009
Blood
Hello good afternoon Br **..
I think I send one query per week since it takes at least one hour for you to reply. You have lots of responsibility over English congregation now, so please spare me one or two hour for me per week.
I hadn't noticed I was asking particularly about the matters in Torah, because Old Testament has much more volumes than Greek Scriptures I might seem to have asked more about Torah, but I hadn't noticed about it till I was remarked from you. ..OK.. I try to ask more about New Testament from now.
But first sorry my next query relates to both New and Old Testaments. It is about blood transfusion.
Jehovah's Witnesses is well-known for their refusal to participation in World War II first and later they came to be known by refusal to one of modern medical treatments - blood transfusion.
As I confessed many times I have carefully read all Scriptures both New and Old already and I found two parts Jehovah's Witnesses has been relied on for their refusal to blood transfusion. I don' t mention them now because you must know them as well.
One is from Old Testament, which reads we can eat any meat but we need to get rid of blood and in New Testament it reads we get away from blood. No one scriptures say we mustn't inject others blood into our body.
Blood transfusion is a modern medical treatment started from 18th century- if I recall it correctly, so it's out of question we can't find such verses written before the first century.
As I pointed out in my last query that swine was banned from eating because it was contaminated from various germs, so the command was so proper for us to keep.
I don't think no modern humans from early civilisation had had blood for daily dietary. It must have related to very different heretic traditions though it was very sane for us not to have blood in our ordinary life. But how about transfusion? It is a medical procedure necessary for our urgent occasion. Sometimes this act is held out of pure philanthropic viewpoint, let alone it's nothing to do with heretic traditions.
Refusal to blood transfusion often bring about end of life immediately. I know one of my acquaintances who's dead after he refused it.
In this particular issue we can read in Revelation 16:6 that 'drink blood' and of course Jesus compared the red wine to his blood in Eucharist. How do you interpret them?
Best wishes,
Eiko
I think I send one query per week since it takes at least one hour for you to reply. You have lots of responsibility over English congregation now, so please spare me one or two hour for me per week.
I hadn't noticed I was asking particularly about the matters in Torah, because Old Testament has much more volumes than Greek Scriptures I might seem to have asked more about Torah, but I hadn't noticed about it till I was remarked from you. ..OK.. I try to ask more about New Testament from now.
But first sorry my next query relates to both New and Old Testaments. It is about blood transfusion.
Jehovah's Witnesses is well-known for their refusal to participation in World War II first and later they came to be known by refusal to one of modern medical treatments - blood transfusion.
As I confessed many times I have carefully read all Scriptures both New and Old already and I found two parts Jehovah's Witnesses has been relied on for their refusal to blood transfusion. I don' t mention them now because you must know them as well.
One is from Old Testament, which reads we can eat any meat but we need to get rid of blood and in New Testament it reads we get away from blood. No one scriptures say we mustn't inject others blood into our body.
Blood transfusion is a modern medical treatment started from 18th century- if I recall it correctly, so it's out of question we can't find such verses written before the first century.
As I pointed out in my last query that swine was banned from eating because it was contaminated from various germs, so the command was so proper for us to keep.
I don't think no modern humans from early civilisation had had blood for daily dietary. It must have related to very different heretic traditions though it was very sane for us not to have blood in our ordinary life. But how about transfusion? It is a medical procedure necessary for our urgent occasion. Sometimes this act is held out of pure philanthropic viewpoint, let alone it's nothing to do with heretic traditions.
Refusal to blood transfusion often bring about end of life immediately. I know one of my acquaintances who's dead after he refused it.
In this particular issue we can read in Revelation 16:6 that 'drink blood' and of course Jesus compared the red wine to his blood in Eucharist. How do you interpret them?
Best wishes,
Eiko
Vertigo
Irma is Available
Irma:
hello eiko
Me:
Oh, ok..
Irma:
how are you?
Me:
Honestly speaking..I was sick in bed for a while.
Not swine flu though..
It's in English..vertigo I think.
Irma:
Oh i see
ok take a rest
get well soon..
Me:
How about you? Did you get in touch with your sister about emigration?
Irma:
yes she told me that you can provide me a guarantor letter
but if it is just tourist visa i cannot work there
i think you have to ask the immigration if you can get me a working visa but i think you are a very busy person
Me:
It's Ok for me to ask them. But they won't allow us to issue a working visa if I agree to be your guarantor, but it's Ok.. I ask them first.
Irma:
ok thank you
if it is not possible i understand
Me:
My friend stayed here for eleven days and went back today to Philippines.
Irma:
Oh i see the one in Laguna?
Me:
Yes.
Irma:
oh ok
Did you take medicine already?
Me:
Yes.. it's been four days to keep on taking medicine. I tend to get sleepy soon after taking it. It is out of the question I mean I can't work properly right now.
Irma:
Ok just take a rest
Me:
Yeah.. I had been in love with a woman for about a year. It was a happy life, but now I left her appartment. Such abrupt changes in life must have brought about my physical unrest also.
Irma:
hello eiko
Me:
Oh, ok..
Irma:
how are you?
Me:
Honestly speaking..I was sick in bed for a while.
Not swine flu though..
It's in English..vertigo I think.
Irma:
Oh i see
ok take a rest
get well soon..
Me:
How about you? Did you get in touch with your sister about emigration?
Irma:
yes she told me that you can provide me a guarantor letter
but if it is just tourist visa i cannot work there
i think you have to ask the immigration if you can get me a working visa but i think you are a very busy person
Me:
It's Ok for me to ask them. But they won't allow us to issue a working visa if I agree to be your guarantor, but it's Ok.. I ask them first.
Irma:
ok thank you
if it is not possible i understand
Me:
My friend stayed here for eleven days and went back today to Philippines.
Irma:
Oh i see the one in Laguna?
Me:
Yes.
Irma:
oh ok
Did you take medicine already?
Me:
Yes.. it's been four days to keep on taking medicine. I tend to get sleepy soon after taking it. It is out of the question I mean I can't work properly right now.
Irma:
Ok just take a rest
Me:
Yeah.. I had been in love with a woman for about a year. It was a happy life, but now I left her appartment. Such abrupt changes in life must have brought about my physical unrest also.
Mercelius 11th May 09 06:14
Thank you for your acceptance. By the way, weren't you in Japan? I saw your profile while I was browsing Japan section. Any way, thanks.. possibility to see you is very scarce though..
Thank you for your acceptance. By the way, weren't you in Japan? I saw your profile while I was browsing Japan section. Any way, thanks.. possibility to see you is very scarce though..
See you again
See you again
Monday, May 11, 2009 12:47 AM
Hello good evening Br **..
Of course it was very nice to see you here in **.
Just a ten days visit, but as I confessed you you have been always in my mind. I just wondered as if you were in my bureau last night when I met you for the first time in two years.
Anyway you are always in the left side of the screen. I don't miss you, because you are here.
Here's my homepage
www.blogger.com/profile/11854854
Many years ago before I come of age at age around 15, I decided to be a writer.
My writings are a gift to future people, and not meant for current people though I appreciate my fans keeping on reading my blog.
See you again I hope in **.
Mer
Monday, May 11, 2009 12:47 AM
Hello good evening Br **..
Of course it was very nice to see you here in **.
Just a ten days visit, but as I confessed you you have been always in my mind. I just wondered as if you were in my bureau last night when I met you for the first time in two years.
Anyway you are always in the left side of the screen. I don't miss you, because you are here.
Here's my homepage
www.blogger.com/profile/11854854
Many years ago before I come of age at age around 15, I decided to be a writer.
My writings are a gift to future people, and not meant for current people though I appreciate my fans keeping on reading my blog.
See you again I hope in **.
Mer
Sunday, May 10, 2009
Thanks Aoi..
For your acceptance. Nine out of ten girls refuses. I got some acceptance from time to time, but I like this time yours the most.
You live in Okinawa. It's hard to see one another though.
I think we can start talking a little bit about ourselves.
You live in Okinawa. It's hard to see one another though.
I think we can start talking a little bit about ourselves.
Saturday, May 09, 2009
Mercelius 9th May 09 17:37
What's up?
Eiko 9th May 09 17:21
Reply
Which one?
Eiko 9th May 09 16:51
Reply
I like this photo very much because it's..Sexy!
Nice to talking to you.
Nice to meet you.
Do you live in * City?
Eiko 9th May 09 16:10
Reply
I like your way you show yourself in someone's eyes by taking a mirror which reflects your true figure.. Besides, what a beautiful kimono you wear!
Eiko 9th May 09 15:54
Reply
Nice! nice, nice!!!
What's up?
Eiko 9th May 09 17:21
Reply
Which one?
Eiko 9th May 09 16:51
Reply
I like this photo very much because it's..Sexy!
Nice to talking to you.
Nice to meet you.
Do you live in * City?
Eiko 9th May 09 16:10
Reply
I like your way you show yourself in someone's eyes by taking a mirror which reflects your true figure.. Besides, what a beautiful kimono you wear!
Eiko 9th May 09 15:54
Reply
Nice! nice, nice!!!
Friday, May 08, 2009
Slow and steady make perfect
Eiko Onoda said...
>Speed and impatience kill.
I agree. Modern men tend to get faster and faster every day as if they were under the threat of 'Repent, the end is nigh!'
But the reality is there's no end in timeline. Probably there must have some 'end' of human species. But it is just the beginning of another species. Life evolves from microorganisms to more complex one taking millions of time again.
So look at sky and breathe deeply. Slow and steady only make things perfect.
May 15, 2009 4:27 AM
In reply to 'Slow and Steady, Makes Right ' by Ted Seeber
John Paul the Great used to say "I'd rather be right and the leader of only a church of 1000, than wrong and the leader of a billion."
One of the big reasons I'm still Catholic is because that isn't just a saying- there's a real system behind it.
Long before anybody ever imagined the scientific method, we had the Councilar method. Unlike some other more modern Christian sects, for Catholics (both Orthodox and Latin) Doctrine Develops. Dogma is set in stone, but doctrine develops, and discipline (which the Councilar method also affects) is temporary. Theology is in fact logical, despite what some atheists will want to tell you.
But one big difference between the Councilar method and more modern theologies and philosophies; it's slow. So slow in fact that it took more than 1200 years for one theological theory (the Immaculate Conception of Mary) to move from first being written down, to being believed by the whole church, to being preached from the See of Peter as being infallible.
The theologians of Catholicism are nothing if not complete in their tasks.
600 years to come up with an Apology to Galileo for our side of the argument.
But when I see such theological mistakes as the American Shakers denying the existence of human sexuality or the rush of emergence theology to embrace homosexuality, or scientific mistakes such as Thalidomide and the nuclear bomb, I have to wonder if speed in human development isn't a mistake in and of itself. How much better it is when change happens slowly enough so that those who remember the old way are long dead before the new way fully takes hold!
Speed and impatience kill. The reason why the scientific method is faster, is because it enables the scientist to disregard huge swaths of data that the theological council must consider. But by ignoring the moral and philosophical implications of their work, quite often science gets it wrong. One way I think science is getting it wrong in the United States under the Obama Administration is the fight over stem cell research- because the fight had been going the other way under the Bush Administration, embryonic stem cell research is being funded at the expense of adult stem cell research- despite the fact that embryonic research has yet to find a single cure, but we can hardly go more than three months without hearing about a new cure from Adult Stem Cell research. It's clear which one should get more funding based on past performance, yet we do the reverse because it is trendy and quick rather than making the harder moral decision.
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>Speed and impatience kill.
I agree. Modern men tend to get faster and faster every day as if they were under the threat of 'Repent, the end is nigh!'
But the reality is there's no end in timeline. Probably there must have some 'end' of human species. But it is just the beginning of another species. Life evolves from microorganisms to more complex one taking millions of time again.
So look at sky and breathe deeply. Slow and steady only make things perfect.
May 15, 2009 4:27 AM
In reply to 'Slow and Steady, Makes Right ' by Ted Seeber
John Paul the Great used to say "I'd rather be right and the leader of only a church of 1000, than wrong and the leader of a billion."
One of the big reasons I'm still Catholic is because that isn't just a saying- there's a real system behind it.
Long before anybody ever imagined the scientific method, we had the Councilar method. Unlike some other more modern Christian sects, for Catholics (both Orthodox and Latin) Doctrine Develops. Dogma is set in stone, but doctrine develops, and discipline (which the Councilar method also affects) is temporary. Theology is in fact logical, despite what some atheists will want to tell you.
But one big difference between the Councilar method and more modern theologies and philosophies; it's slow. So slow in fact that it took more than 1200 years for one theological theory (the Immaculate Conception of Mary) to move from first being written down, to being believed by the whole church, to being preached from the See of Peter as being infallible.
The theologians of Catholicism are nothing if not complete in their tasks.
600 years to come up with an Apology to Galileo for our side of the argument.
But when I see such theological mistakes as the American Shakers denying the existence of human sexuality or the rush of emergence theology to embrace homosexuality, or scientific mistakes such as Thalidomide and the nuclear bomb, I have to wonder if speed in human development isn't a mistake in and of itself. How much better it is when change happens slowly enough so that those who remember the old way are long dead before the new way fully takes hold!
Speed and impatience kill. The reason why the scientific method is faster, is because it enables the scientist to disregard huge swaths of data that the theological council must consider. But by ignoring the moral and philosophical implications of their work, quite often science gets it wrong. One way I think science is getting it wrong in the United States under the Obama Administration is the fight over stem cell research- because the fight had been going the other way under the Bush Administration, embryonic stem cell research is being funded at the expense of adult stem cell research- despite the fact that embryonic research has yet to find a single cure, but we can hardly go more than three months without hearing about a new cure from Adult Stem Cell research. It's clear which one should get more funding based on past performance, yet we do the reverse because it is trendy and quick rather than making the harder moral decision.
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Order in chaos
"New Autistic thing I figured out"
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I've spent the last 25 years or so with homophobia and a fear of gender segregated team sports, because I've been mislabeling idiot jocks as homosexuals (due to certain behaviors common in my high school when it came to team razing and initiation ceremonies).So first, to all homosexuals out there who aren't predatory and don't bother the people around you, I'm sorry for misjudging you. For all of the jocks I misjudged- you might want to look at some of those team rituals with a critical eye towards how they might look to the kid you're bullying just because he's weird. And finally, to all parents of autistic kids- you might want to have a talk with them about stereotypes and how being bullied has affected the way they see the world.
posted by Ted Seeber at 10:58 AM on May 4, 2009
Eiko Onoda said...
This post seems very irrational to me, therefore I like it. I see indescibable order from just a chaotic world.
May 7, 2009 10:17 AM
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I've spent the last 25 years or so with homophobia and a fear of gender segregated team sports, because I've been mislabeling idiot jocks as homosexuals (due to certain behaviors common in my high school when it came to team razing and initiation ceremonies).So first, to all homosexuals out there who aren't predatory and don't bother the people around you, I'm sorry for misjudging you. For all of the jocks I misjudged- you might want to look at some of those team rituals with a critical eye towards how they might look to the kid you're bullying just because he's weird. And finally, to all parents of autistic kids- you might want to have a talk with them about stereotypes and how being bullied has affected the way they see the world.
posted by Ted Seeber at 10:58 AM on May 4, 2009
Eiko Onoda said...
This post seems very irrational to me, therefore I like it. I see indescibable order from just a chaotic world.
May 7, 2009 10:17 AM
Tuesday, May 05, 2009
No food law any more
Hello, good evening Br **..
This time I agree with you. Christians can eat whatever they want.
As to the verses in Acts, I read them again. Peter was so hungry that he came into trance. In his vision he saw God and God said he doesn't have to follow Mosaic law when he is too hungry to keep his life. He must have eaten them. It was not a bad decision as a human, of course, and as Christians too.
Mosaic law was written in 1300 BC. Many people today believe Pentateuch was arranged during Babylonian captivity, but it is easily assumed that the original code existed in Moses' time. 1300 years, it's long time. It is not strange even if the order had become obsolete at a time of missionary by Paul.
I've got many other questions, but it's time to take a rest as Moses commanded.
I will send another email sometime after we take a break.
Best wishes,
Mer
This time I agree with you. Christians can eat whatever they want.
As to the verses in Acts, I read them again. Peter was so hungry that he came into trance. In his vision he saw God and God said he doesn't have to follow Mosaic law when he is too hungry to keep his life. He must have eaten them. It was not a bad decision as a human, of course, and as Christians too.
Mosaic law was written in 1300 BC. Many people today believe Pentateuch was arranged during Babylonian captivity, but it is easily assumed that the original code existed in Moses' time. 1300 years, it's long time. It is not strange even if the order had become obsolete at a time of missionary by Paul.
I've got many other questions, but it's time to take a rest as Moses commanded.
I will send another email sometime after we take a break.
Best wishes,
Mer
Monday, May 04, 2009
Origin of Holiday
Hello good evening Br **
Probably my remark might be thought too trivial. He was executed whatever the way it might be.
Moses was a wise man. He tried to establish social systems valid still in today's world.
Jewish people had been suffered from hard work and no rest. They had to keep on working till they died.
Moses had thought how they can get a rest without changing the frame of society. Hard work is, of course necessary for humans to survive. Taking a rest is, also very important to keep on working efficiently and everlastingly. So it was important to determine how often they can take a rest without losing two important factors, working hard and taking a rest.
Moses tried to stabilise the rate 5.5 workday and 1.5 taking a rest by introducing Sabbath. The custom of Sabbath was very new to them and some tried to work even when others are taking a rest.
Moses thought it is a sever violation or threat to the effective continuation of productive activity in society. Therefore it took one night to make up his mind whether to execute and how to execute him -the Sabbath breaker.
Moses used in his execution not hanging, stubbing only by one executor but stoning by all members of society, emphasising he committed a crime not against one person but against the benefit of all - I think this is the meaning of his being stoned to death.
I recall somewhere in Hebrew Scriptures that we mustn't eat pork. In today's world no Christians keep this rule. What I understand is the pork at that time is not the same one now we have. In ancient times swine eat various foods so they tend to be contaminated by poisonous matters, therefore prohibited.
Is my understanding correct? Or is there any new decree that we can eat pork?
Thank you for taking your time.
Mer
Probably my remark might be thought too trivial. He was executed whatever the way it might be.
Moses was a wise man. He tried to establish social systems valid still in today's world.
Jewish people had been suffered from hard work and no rest. They had to keep on working till they died.
Moses had thought how they can get a rest without changing the frame of society. Hard work is, of course necessary for humans to survive. Taking a rest is, also very important to keep on working efficiently and everlastingly. So it was important to determine how often they can take a rest without losing two important factors, working hard and taking a rest.
Moses tried to stabilise the rate 5.5 workday and 1.5 taking a rest by introducing Sabbath. The custom of Sabbath was very new to them and some tried to work even when others are taking a rest.
Moses thought it is a sever violation or threat to the effective continuation of productive activity in society. Therefore it took one night to make up his mind whether to execute and how to execute him -the Sabbath breaker.
Moses used in his execution not hanging, stubbing only by one executor but stoning by all members of society, emphasising he committed a crime not against one person but against the benefit of all - I think this is the meaning of his being stoned to death.
I recall somewhere in Hebrew Scriptures that we mustn't eat pork. In today's world no Christians keep this rule. What I understand is the pork at that time is not the same one now we have. In ancient times swine eat various foods so they tend to be contaminated by poisonous matters, therefore prohibited.
Is my understanding correct? Or is there any new decree that we can eat pork?
Thank you for taking your time.
Mer
Guarantor - Chat with a friend
Irma is Available
Irma:
Hello eiko
Me:
Hi
Did you finish eating lunch?
Irma:
I accepted your request on Wayn
yes i'm finished
Me:
Oh, thanks..I found your profile while I was browsing Google in your real name.
Irma:
What did you eat for lunch?
Me:
Soup and noodles
Irma:
Japanese like noodles
we filipinos like to eat with rice
Me:
Yes, it's very Chinese. Noodles with rice? Same custom we have.
Irma:
no rice with meat or fish ,vegetables
i just eat noodles very seldom
Me:
Oh, really? Indeed I hadn't eat noodles while I was in San mateo
Irma:
San Mateo Rizal? here in the Phil?
Me:
Yes, of course. Didn't you know that I used to stay there for three months at age 32.
Irma:
Oh really ?thats good ..because of gf?
Me:
I stayed in my friend's house there.
Irma:
oh ic
When is your plan to come here again?
Me:
Currently no plans, but I hope to visit again.
Irma:
Oh ok ..i hope
Me:
Do you often go to Manila?
Irma:
no
Just once in a while when i have appointment
and go for shopping
Me:
You live in Angeles City. I think I passed through when I went to Baguio. Is Angeles City famous for Casino?
Irma:
yes
you can passed by Angeles if you are going to Baguio
there are lots of Casinos here
Me:
My friend is from Los Banos, Laguna. I might visit him when he back to Philippines, so possiblities of visiting Philippines are not zero.
Irma:
ok thats good
my friend will go to japan next month
Me:
For working? Is she got married to Japanese guy?
Irma:
I don't know if the guy is just her bf or husband ..i'm not asking
she always go to japan maybe he is her husband already
Me:
Where did she know him, in Philippines or in Japan? in Japan maybe..
Irma:
I don't know because i just saw her during our reunion
she always send me text messages
because she has a business here like japan surplus
i'm asking her if she is selling 2nd hand organ or piano
she said she will go to Japan next month if i want she can buy me
for just $100
Me:
What's Japan surplus?
Irma:
2nd hand goods from Japan
Me:
That's why you asked her to sell second hand organs. I see.
Irma:
yes
any kind of appliances like tv
she is rich already
she has a big house and cars
Me:
I met some Japanese who got married to Philippinas. They built a house there for them. They lived on relatively rich.
Irma:
she is asking again another reunion but i wasn't able to come
yes
so many here in phil
because the salary range there in Japan is better than here in Phil
but the standard of living there in Japn is very expensive
thats why they used to work there in Japan and spend their money here in Phil its doubled or triple
the food here and everything is very cheap compare it to Japan
Me:
I know the situations around that. I was in the Philippines. Many cost about one tenth.
Irma:
yes its very cheap isn't it
?
thats why others are working there in Japan ,saved their money and spend it here in Phil
there are lots of Koreans ,chinese who are living and studying here in Phil
Me:
I bought beers always five or six instead of just two for not only her family but her neighbours.
Irma:
when you go to malls you will see lots of Koreans and chinese
Me:
Part of the fund she spent for reservoirs for water purification and walls were from my pocket money at that time. of course she was very glad. ..I recall my younger days. ...yeah now a lot of Asians became rich.
I think you are Chinese origin.
Irma:
me? i don't know but they always ask me if i have Chinese blood
they always think i am chines
Me:
If your name were like 'Chua' many don't confuse whether you are Chinese. But you are Tablante, Spanish name..
Irma:
but Japanese were the first who conquer Phil
then the Spaniards
yes thats why i look a liitle bit chinese and little spaniard
what i know is my great grand father have spanish blood
Me:
Oh, really? I don't know about that, but I know Japanese armies did countless bad things in World War II.
We all are mixture from many linages.
Irma:
yes
Me:
So where does your friend stay in Japan?
Irma:
Oh ,I forgot to ask
Me:
No problem.
Haven't you visited Japan, have you?
Irma:
not yet..but i would love to..but it is difficult i think
Me:
If you come to Japan, do you do with your daughter?
Irma:
no i think because she is studying here
maybe if i am settled there in Japan i can get her
Me:
So keep on staying in your mom's house? Oh, I see. It's needless to say it's better for her to be with her mom, ie you.
Is it really hard for you to get a visa for working or visiting Japan?
Irma:
yes it is hard because i ask my friend and she said its difficult nowadays
maybe if there is someone who will sponsor me
but my sister don't want because she is living with her in laws
if i will go to japan my sister will take care of my daughter while i'm in Japan
anyway my daughter is big already no need to take care of her she can manage
Me:
Someone who sponser..will you tell me a litttle bit about it more?
Irma:
someone who will give supporting papers like my sister when she got my sisters before and visit Japan
Me:
Supporting papers?
Irma:
yes
Me:
What's that more concretely?
Irma:
I will ask my sister when she will go online
because most of my sisters already visited Japan
but not me because i'm working at that time
they just stay there for 3 to 6 mos
Me:
Probably it's a written legal document endorsed by some guarantor. It's important because it prevents illegal immigrations. ...yeah 6 months.. many Philippinas work for 6 months and go back. They repeat it again.
Irma:
yes
Me:
I might be able to help you with it, please don't hesitate to ask me when it's needed.
Irma:
Oh really?
ofcourse if you can help me ..why not?
Me:
It's my pleasure
Irma:
I was disconnected
Irma is Available
Me:
Ok, no problem.
Irma:
What are you doing now?
Me:
I'm browsing Internet. And you?
Irma:
just chatting with you.lol
Me:
Same with me.
Irma:
oh ok..when will you help me so that i can process my papers
Me:
I can do it whenever, but we don't know what's the paper like. so please ask your sister first.
Irma:
yes sure..i will inform you as soon as i talk with my sister
Me:
Ok, I go out for shopping something, till then take care!
Irma:
ok take care too ,bye
Irma:
Hello eiko
Me:
Hi
Did you finish eating lunch?
Irma:
I accepted your request on Wayn
yes i'm finished
Me:
Oh, thanks..I found your profile while I was browsing Google in your real name.
Irma:
What did you eat for lunch?
Me:
Soup and noodles
Irma:
Japanese like noodles
we filipinos like to eat with rice
Me:
Yes, it's very Chinese. Noodles with rice? Same custom we have.
Irma:
no rice with meat or fish ,vegetables
i just eat noodles very seldom
Me:
Oh, really? Indeed I hadn't eat noodles while I was in San mateo
Irma:
San Mateo Rizal? here in the Phil?
Me:
Yes, of course. Didn't you know that I used to stay there for three months at age 32.
Irma:
Oh really ?thats good ..because of gf?
Me:
I stayed in my friend's house there.
Irma:
oh ic
When is your plan to come here again?
Me:
Currently no plans, but I hope to visit again.
Irma:
Oh ok ..i hope
Me:
Do you often go to Manila?
Irma:
no
Just once in a while when i have appointment
and go for shopping
Me:
You live in Angeles City. I think I passed through when I went to Baguio. Is Angeles City famous for Casino?
Irma:
yes
you can passed by Angeles if you are going to Baguio
there are lots of Casinos here
Me:
My friend is from Los Banos, Laguna. I might visit him when he back to Philippines, so possiblities of visiting Philippines are not zero.
Irma:
ok thats good
my friend will go to japan next month
Me:
For working? Is she got married to Japanese guy?
Irma:
I don't know if the guy is just her bf or husband ..i'm not asking
she always go to japan maybe he is her husband already
Me:
Where did she know him, in Philippines or in Japan? in Japan maybe..
Irma:
I don't know because i just saw her during our reunion
she always send me text messages
because she has a business here like japan surplus
i'm asking her if she is selling 2nd hand organ or piano
she said she will go to Japan next month if i want she can buy me
for just $100
Me:
What's Japan surplus?
Irma:
2nd hand goods from Japan
Me:
That's why you asked her to sell second hand organs. I see.
Irma:
yes
any kind of appliances like tv
she is rich already
she has a big house and cars
Me:
I met some Japanese who got married to Philippinas. They built a house there for them. They lived on relatively rich.
Irma:
she is asking again another reunion but i wasn't able to come
yes
so many here in phil
because the salary range there in Japan is better than here in Phil
but the standard of living there in Japn is very expensive
thats why they used to work there in Japan and spend their money here in Phil its doubled or triple
the food here and everything is very cheap compare it to Japan
Me:
I know the situations around that. I was in the Philippines. Many cost about one tenth.
Irma:
yes its very cheap isn't it
?
thats why others are working there in Japan ,saved their money and spend it here in Phil
there are lots of Koreans ,chinese who are living and studying here in Phil
Me:
I bought beers always five or six instead of just two for not only her family but her neighbours.
Irma:
when you go to malls you will see lots of Koreans and chinese
Me:
Part of the fund she spent for reservoirs for water purification and walls were from my pocket money at that time. of course she was very glad. ..I recall my younger days. ...yeah now a lot of Asians became rich.
I think you are Chinese origin.
Irma:
me? i don't know but they always ask me if i have Chinese blood
they always think i am chines
Me:
If your name were like 'Chua' many don't confuse whether you are Chinese. But you are Tablante, Spanish name..
Irma:
but Japanese were the first who conquer Phil
then the Spaniards
yes thats why i look a liitle bit chinese and little spaniard
what i know is my great grand father have spanish blood
Me:
Oh, really? I don't know about that, but I know Japanese armies did countless bad things in World War II.
We all are mixture from many linages.
Irma:
yes
Me:
So where does your friend stay in Japan?
Irma:
Oh ,I forgot to ask
Me:
No problem.
Haven't you visited Japan, have you?
Irma:
not yet..but i would love to..but it is difficult i think
Me:
If you come to Japan, do you do with your daughter?
Irma:
no i think because she is studying here
maybe if i am settled there in Japan i can get her
Me:
So keep on staying in your mom's house? Oh, I see. It's needless to say it's better for her to be with her mom, ie you.
Is it really hard for you to get a visa for working or visiting Japan?
Irma:
yes it is hard because i ask my friend and she said its difficult nowadays
maybe if there is someone who will sponsor me
but my sister don't want because she is living with her in laws
if i will go to japan my sister will take care of my daughter while i'm in Japan
anyway my daughter is big already no need to take care of her she can manage
Me:
Someone who sponser..will you tell me a litttle bit about it more?
Irma:
someone who will give supporting papers like my sister when she got my sisters before and visit Japan
Me:
Supporting papers?
Irma:
yes
Me:
What's that more concretely?
Irma:
I will ask my sister when she will go online
because most of my sisters already visited Japan
but not me because i'm working at that time
they just stay there for 3 to 6 mos
Me:
Probably it's a written legal document endorsed by some guarantor. It's important because it prevents illegal immigrations. ...yeah 6 months.. many Philippinas work for 6 months and go back. They repeat it again.
Irma:
yes
Me:
I might be able to help you with it, please don't hesitate to ask me when it's needed.
Irma:
Oh really?
ofcourse if you can help me ..why not?
Me:
It's my pleasure
Irma:
I was disconnected
Irma is Available
Me:
Ok, no problem.
Irma:
What are you doing now?
Me:
I'm browsing Internet. And you?
Irma:
just chatting with you.lol
Me:
Same with me.
Irma:
oh ok..when will you help me so that i can process my papers
Me:
I can do it whenever, but we don't know what's the paper like. so please ask your sister first.
Irma:
yes sure..i will inform you as soon as i talk with my sister
Me:
Ok, I go out for shopping something, till then take care!
Irma:
ok take care too ,bye
Sunday, May 03, 2009
Marriage of convenience - Chat with Irma
Irma is Available
Irma:
good pm Eiko
Me:
Hi
Irma:
how's your day?
Me:
I worked from 10 to 15 pm then I went to church, there I spent two hours. I had a guest from Philipines, he is my old friend. He's assistant professor of some university.
Irma:
Oh i see ..from where here in the phil?
Me:
He said it is Laguna something near Manila
Irma:
oh ok
Me:
You know that?
Irma:
yes
Me:
I see. How's your day?
Irma:
I 'd been busy cleaning
and learning something about music
Me:
Did you go to church?
Irma:
Yes i just came fromthe church because we had a meeting from finance dept
I ant to learn how to play a piano
want*
i'm reading the notes
Me:
Do you listen to Chopin?
Irma:
What is Chopin?
Me:
Ok, Chopin is a composer of piano. He left many beautiful melodies. He's Polish.
Irma:
Chopin, Frédéric François (1810-1849), Polish composer and pianist of the romantic school, widely regarded as one of the most influential figures...
I didn't hear his music yet
listen
Me:
I owned more than 100 CDs. I enjoyed all his melodies.
Irma:
Oh really? Are you a music lober too?
lover*
Me:
Yes, I like Chopin the most. I listen to music , but it's not difficult. Easy, everyone can do it!
Irma:
Do you know how to play a piano?
Me:
No, sorry..I admire those who can play. I was raised up surrounded in books, books, books. I hope I had time to spare time for playing the piano.
Irma:
Oh i see ..i hope you will have
you should give time sometimes
Are you happy on what you are doing?
Me:
Yes, I am.
Irma:
Oh thats' good it is your choice
Me:
Are you good at accounting?
Irma:
why?
Me:
Because your job is related to it, also you majored in college.
Irma:
Yes i graduated in Bachelor of Science in Business Administration major in Accounting
Me:
Very nice.. you should be proud of it.
Irma:
yes,thank you
Are there a lot of Japanese who are selling for marriage?
Me:
I'm college graduate but mostly self-educated. I read tens of thousands of books, that made how I am now. As to selling marriage, I have heard of it.
Irma:
Because my friend told me if i would like to work and live in Japan i'd rather pay a japanese to marry me
but we will not live as couples
we will live separately
Me:
Yeah, if its marriage is valid, legal, superficially it's hard to tell whether it's based on real unity or false one. What I have heard is it cost 5000 US dollars, namely Japanese men get the money.
Irma:
in case do i have to pay that in cash or installment?
Me:
Not sure.. I just heard the sum of money Japanese receive. Probably instalment is possible. You can pay as you earn.
Irma:
oh ok thanks
Me:
You must find a broker there in the Philippines. But remember no ordinary Japanese involve such cases. You need to be careful.
Irma:
In case i would marry a Japanese can i be a Japanese citizen after 4 yrsZ?
yrs*
and be divorce?
Me:
If you got married to Japanese, you can get it for sure. You can get citizenship in marriage. Divorce cannot get rid of your citizenship in general.
Irma:
oh ok thats good
but in my case i am not allowed to marry if he is not belong in our church
it is difficult
i will be remove from the list in case i disobey
Me:
It is religiously speaking. Remember the case with your sister's husband. If really I am eager to marry someone, I would like to join her church. Religion is a matter of our mind.
Irma:
its because they married before joining
but if his husband had joined before marriage my sister will not be removed
Me:
I think it's a matter of course. We both need to join before our marriage. In general.
Irma:
yes
Me:
Do you want to marry Japanese guy who has the same faith?
Irma:
yes ofcourse
by the way, its getting late now eiko..nice talking with you
have a goodnight sleep
Me:
Oh..it's almost 11. Good night, Irma..
Irma:
goodnight
Irma:
good pm Eiko
Me:
Hi
Irma:
how's your day?
Me:
I worked from 10 to 15 pm then I went to church, there I spent two hours. I had a guest from Philipines, he is my old friend. He's assistant professor of some university.
Irma:
Oh i see ..from where here in the phil?
Me:
He said it is Laguna something near Manila
Irma:
oh ok
Me:
You know that?
Irma:
yes
Me:
I see. How's your day?
Irma:
I 'd been busy cleaning
and learning something about music
Me:
Did you go to church?
Irma:
Yes i just came fromthe church because we had a meeting from finance dept
I ant to learn how to play a piano
want*
i'm reading the notes
Me:
Do you listen to Chopin?
Irma:
What is Chopin?
Me:
Ok, Chopin is a composer of piano. He left many beautiful melodies. He's Polish.
Irma:
Chopin, Frédéric François (1810-1849), Polish composer and pianist of the romantic school, widely regarded as one of the most influential figures...
I didn't hear his music yet
listen
Me:
I owned more than 100 CDs. I enjoyed all his melodies.
Irma:
Oh really? Are you a music lober too?
lover*
Me:
Yes, I like Chopin the most. I listen to music , but it's not difficult. Easy, everyone can do it!
Irma:
Do you know how to play a piano?
Me:
No, sorry..I admire those who can play. I was raised up surrounded in books, books, books. I hope I had time to spare time for playing the piano.
Irma:
Oh i see ..i hope you will have
you should give time sometimes
Are you happy on what you are doing?
Me:
Yes, I am.
Irma:
Oh thats' good it is your choice
Me:
Are you good at accounting?
Irma:
why?
Me:
Because your job is related to it, also you majored in college.
Irma:
Yes i graduated in Bachelor of Science in Business Administration major in Accounting
Me:
Very nice.. you should be proud of it.
Irma:
yes,thank you
Are there a lot of Japanese who are selling for marriage?
Me:
I'm college graduate but mostly self-educated. I read tens of thousands of books, that made how I am now. As to selling marriage, I have heard of it.
Irma:
Because my friend told me if i would like to work and live in Japan i'd rather pay a japanese to marry me
but we will not live as couples
we will live separately
Me:
Yeah, if its marriage is valid, legal, superficially it's hard to tell whether it's based on real unity or false one. What I have heard is it cost 5000 US dollars, namely Japanese men get the money.
Irma:
in case do i have to pay that in cash or installment?
Me:
Not sure.. I just heard the sum of money Japanese receive. Probably instalment is possible. You can pay as you earn.
Irma:
oh ok thanks
Me:
You must find a broker there in the Philippines. But remember no ordinary Japanese involve such cases. You need to be careful.
Irma:
In case i would marry a Japanese can i be a Japanese citizen after 4 yrsZ?
yrs*
and be divorce?
Me:
If you got married to Japanese, you can get it for sure. You can get citizenship in marriage. Divorce cannot get rid of your citizenship in general.
Irma:
oh ok thats good
but in my case i am not allowed to marry if he is not belong in our church
it is difficult
i will be remove from the list in case i disobey
Me:
It is religiously speaking. Remember the case with your sister's husband. If really I am eager to marry someone, I would like to join her church. Religion is a matter of our mind.
Irma:
its because they married before joining
but if his husband had joined before marriage my sister will not be removed
Me:
I think it's a matter of course. We both need to join before our marriage. In general.
Irma:
yes
Me:
Do you want to marry Japanese guy who has the same faith?
Irma:
yes ofcourse
by the way, its getting late now eiko..nice talking with you
have a goodnight sleep
Me:
Oh..it's almost 11. Good night, Irma..
Irma:
goodnight
Saturday, May 02, 2009
One Sabbath breaker
Hello good evening Br **,
>Matthew completed his account about 41CE, only 8 years after Jesus death,while Marks was completed about 25 years later and Lukes 28 years later. It was only Johns that wasnt completed until 98CE.
This is a very useful information.
>Admittedly, this account seems quite unbelievable to say the least.
Nebuchadnezzar issued a decree which is all people should worship his statue. But idolworship is prohibited in Jews. Three young men didn't obey his order, then they were thrown into furnace. They never changed their faith in the face of their life and death. Their firm faith impressed the King a lot, so after this incident he never force Jewish people again to worship his statue.
Bible mentioned three were all saved by angels and they went to other places for their jobs later in their lives, which means in my view younger Jewish people other than three could enjoy their lives without breaking Jewish law or worshiping idols any more.
There were many wise prophets but Daniel was wiser than others. He not only invented a King's dream but also interpreted it favourably to King so that he couldn't deny. Regrettably three young men were wise but martyred on account of their faith. They are entitled to be called one of the earliest Jehovah's Witnesses.
Bible describes one Sabbath breaker was stoned to death. He was executed not by hanging, stubbing, but by stones. Why?
Mer
>Matthew completed his account about 41CE, only 8 years after Jesus death,while Marks was completed about 25 years later and Lukes 28 years later. It was only Johns that wasnt completed until 98CE.
This is a very useful information.
>Admittedly, this account seems quite unbelievable to say the least.
Nebuchadnezzar issued a decree which is all people should worship his statue. But idolworship is prohibited in Jews. Three young men didn't obey his order, then they were thrown into furnace. They never changed their faith in the face of their life and death. Their firm faith impressed the King a lot, so after this incident he never force Jewish people again to worship his statue.
Bible mentioned three were all saved by angels and they went to other places for their jobs later in their lives, which means in my view younger Jewish people other than three could enjoy their lives without breaking Jewish law or worshiping idols any more.
There were many wise prophets but Daniel was wiser than others. He not only invented a King's dream but also interpreted it favourably to King so that he couldn't deny. Regrettably three young men were wise but martyred on account of their faith. They are entitled to be called one of the earliest Jehovah's Witnesses.
Bible describes one Sabbath breaker was stoned to death. He was executed not by hanging, stubbing, but by stones. Why?
Mer
Friday, May 01, 2009
Love lasts forever
"Four questions that demand answers"
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This came from an argument for same sex marriage found here.http://www.gaychristian.net/justins_view.phpIn it he brings up four very good questions that many Protestants don't understand about Catholic human sexuality. After I answer his four questions, I'm going to throw in a fifth that most people don't understand, and then I'll wrap up with a why at the end.1. Why should sex by an infertile couple be considered "open to procreation" when sex with a spermicide isn't? This is the Abraham and Sarah answer- Sarah was considered infertile when she has Isaac, the start of the whole Judaeo-Christian world. Sex by an infertile couple is considered open to procreation because miracles of this form have been known to happen throughout human history. I'd point out though that while medical science now can duplicate this miracle- it's still only RCC-approved if GOD does it, not MAN.2. Is Natural Family Planning considered acceptable only because it is less reliable?No, and in fact, modern NFP is more reliable not less than many competing forms of birth control. Rather, the ideal form of human sexuality for the Roman Catholic Church is to follow St. Paul- and not do it at all (several times in his letters Paul recommends celebacy over marriage, only reluctantly allowing it to "prevent worse sin" and when it becomes clear that Christ's return isn't going to be tomorrow). NFP shows solidarity with celebacy because it is based on abstinence (more on this in question 5 below).3. (If condoms were less reliable, would they be acceptable?)Nope, because the problem with condoms isn't their reliability, but rather man's attempt to thwart the will of God in procreation. Remember, the ONLY reason Catholics are allowed sex at all is for procreative purposes, and while this does include the unitive aspect of sex (keeping the parents together in marriage at least long enough to raise the kids), it doesn't include specifically denying God's will.4. Is there really anything "open to procreation" about a couple who know they are infertile because of physical deformities, age, medical conditions, previous surgery, or any other reason?Back to Abraham and Sarah, and the answer is YES. Except in certain "previous surgery" cases that is, where the purpose of the surgery was infertility (for the same reason cosmetic or any other elective surgery is also considered ethically questionable by the church).and then a question brought up here:5. If homosexuality is bad because it's not open to procreation, why isn't celebacy?I think I've skipped a logical point here that caused this question to be asked, and that's my fault. Holiness in the Roman Catholic Church is all about denial of self, and submission to God's will- I think that's why some in the 1960s and 1970s explored Zen Buddhism as well. The Church's teaching on human sexuality includes two levels of holiness, and two levels of sin:1. Celebacy. The ultimate denial of one's sexual orientation, by simply not having any. Denial of self for the will of God.2. Marriage & NFP. Denial of oneself for the continuation of the species, which is ordained by God in the Book of Genesis.3. Monogamous but outside of Marriage or Using Birth Control, or these modern extended families built out of serial monogamy, aka divorce- I kind of get the feeling this is considered a Venal Sin, not Mortal. I'd put monogamous homosexual couples in this group- denying the procreative aspect of sex, but as welcome as any other sinner in the church.4. True depravity- that 1% of fetishists and the like that makes the rest of us gag, whose sexual practices and addictions are so far outside the norm that even the most tolerant of us says, we can't support that.Burn in hell for all eternity? Just being homosexual and monogamous won't make you do that. Jesus loves you too much to allow that to happen.And I need to say a word about divorce. If your marriage is sacramental- that is you take seriously your vows and you try your best to place Christ at the center of your marriage and you're a good level 2 heterosexual Catholic as listed above, it doesn't matter where your lusts lead you- you've chosen your path, and NO other options should be available to you. Commitment, not love, is at the center of a good Catholic marriage- because love may come and go, but you've made a commitment to yourself and your God to stick with this family NO MATTER WHAT.
posted by Ted Seeber at 9:49 AM on Apr 30, 2009
Eiko Onoda said...
Between loves and lovers procreation is the second matter. Having sex and fun are first and foremost. Childbirth is not an aim, but a result.Men love men or women and vice versa, that is basically a free act. At the centre of marriage, on the other hand, childbirth is a chief theme. Commitment rather than love is important. Commitment with love is more important though.I found many miserable cases in divorce by couples who had kids. It's not too long to divorce after their kids come of age. Commitment is just two decades. Love ought to last forever if we really love someone other than our current wife.
May 1, 2009 6:43 AM
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This came from an argument for same sex marriage found here.http://www.gaychristian.net/justins_view.phpIn it he brings up four very good questions that many Protestants don't understand about Catholic human sexuality. After I answer his four questions, I'm going to throw in a fifth that most people don't understand, and then I'll wrap up with a why at the end.1. Why should sex by an infertile couple be considered "open to procreation" when sex with a spermicide isn't? This is the Abraham and Sarah answer- Sarah was considered infertile when she has Isaac, the start of the whole Judaeo-Christian world. Sex by an infertile couple is considered open to procreation because miracles of this form have been known to happen throughout human history. I'd point out though that while medical science now can duplicate this miracle- it's still only RCC-approved if GOD does it, not MAN.2. Is Natural Family Planning considered acceptable only because it is less reliable?No, and in fact, modern NFP is more reliable not less than many competing forms of birth control. Rather, the ideal form of human sexuality for the Roman Catholic Church is to follow St. Paul- and not do it at all (several times in his letters Paul recommends celebacy over marriage, only reluctantly allowing it to "prevent worse sin" and when it becomes clear that Christ's return isn't going to be tomorrow). NFP shows solidarity with celebacy because it is based on abstinence (more on this in question 5 below).3. (If condoms were less reliable, would they be acceptable?)Nope, because the problem with condoms isn't their reliability, but rather man's attempt to thwart the will of God in procreation. Remember, the ONLY reason Catholics are allowed sex at all is for procreative purposes, and while this does include the unitive aspect of sex (keeping the parents together in marriage at least long enough to raise the kids), it doesn't include specifically denying God's will.4. Is there really anything "open to procreation" about a couple who know they are infertile because of physical deformities, age, medical conditions, previous surgery, or any other reason?Back to Abraham and Sarah, and the answer is YES. Except in certain "previous surgery" cases that is, where the purpose of the surgery was infertility (for the same reason cosmetic or any other elective surgery is also considered ethically questionable by the church).and then a question brought up here:5. If homosexuality is bad because it's not open to procreation, why isn't celebacy?I think I've skipped a logical point here that caused this question to be asked, and that's my fault. Holiness in the Roman Catholic Church is all about denial of self, and submission to God's will- I think that's why some in the 1960s and 1970s explored Zen Buddhism as well. The Church's teaching on human sexuality includes two levels of holiness, and two levels of sin:1. Celebacy. The ultimate denial of one's sexual orientation, by simply not having any. Denial of self for the will of God.2. Marriage & NFP. Denial of oneself for the continuation of the species, which is ordained by God in the Book of Genesis.3. Monogamous but outside of Marriage or Using Birth Control, or these modern extended families built out of serial monogamy, aka divorce- I kind of get the feeling this is considered a Venal Sin, not Mortal. I'd put monogamous homosexual couples in this group- denying the procreative aspect of sex, but as welcome as any other sinner in the church.4. True depravity- that 1% of fetishists and the like that makes the rest of us gag, whose sexual practices and addictions are so far outside the norm that even the most tolerant of us says, we can't support that.Burn in hell for all eternity? Just being homosexual and monogamous won't make you do that. Jesus loves you too much to allow that to happen.And I need to say a word about divorce. If your marriage is sacramental- that is you take seriously your vows and you try your best to place Christ at the center of your marriage and you're a good level 2 heterosexual Catholic as listed above, it doesn't matter where your lusts lead you- you've chosen your path, and NO other options should be available to you. Commitment, not love, is at the center of a good Catholic marriage- because love may come and go, but you've made a commitment to yourself and your God to stick with this family NO MATTER WHAT.
posted by Ted Seeber at 9:49 AM on Apr 30, 2009
Eiko Onoda said...
Between loves and lovers procreation is the second matter. Having sex and fun are first and foremost. Childbirth is not an aim, but a result.Men love men or women and vice versa, that is basically a free act. At the centre of marriage, on the other hand, childbirth is a chief theme. Commitment rather than love is important. Commitment with love is more important though.I found many miserable cases in divorce by couples who had kids. It's not too long to divorce after their kids come of age. Commitment is just two decades. Love ought to last forever if we really love someone other than our current wife.
May 1, 2009 6:43 AM
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